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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The two state solution was always going to be unwillingly imposed upon Israel. Israel never accepted it's basic premise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    And the Jewish people have no historical link to those lands.

    Also, do you think it might have created a similar situation to what we see kow, as that would also result in some people being displaced. The biggest issue I think in all this is the way it was done. It should never have been a division of the land between the two peoples, but rather a single country where the two people have to learn to live together, and build a better world for themselves.

    Sadly that boat has sailed and we are left to witness this disaster play out.

    While the IDF maybe celebrating the death of the Hamas leader, I doubt it will be do anything. The more Israel commits war crimes against the people of Gaza and the West Bank, the more it is sowing the seeds for future radicalisation. Thus the cycle if hatred continues.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Is that supposed to be a defence for Israel or are you just adding to my point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    October the 7th was a hideous crime against civilians, part of the on going conflict in that region. However it was not a mini-Genocide.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    A majority would have accepted it but only the tiniest minority of Palestinians would ever allow it.

    It really is only in the west that people talk about 2 State solution. A sizeable minority in Israel still did but it is not spoken of by Palestinians or their supporters in the region. So



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,795 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    yep. As I keep saying. The only way to security for israel is through a long term peace. Which they have ZERO interest in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Why did Bibi and the Israelis prop up Hamas then?

    The Israeli prime minister agreed to the Oslo accords with Bill clinton and Arifat. He was then shot by Israeli right wingers and from then on Israel never intended to abide by the two state solution. Is that not the case?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think its clear Israel wants a one state solution but not a state where Palestinians would have an equal say. That the situation has continued for so many decades it pretty shameful.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There is plenty of archeological evidence , some of it i referred to earlier. As one poster here said, he didn't care what evidence was there. He believed what he believed and that's what mattered.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Try the historical and archeological evidence then.



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  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Try the Babylonian and Egyptian records which are now in museums in Cairo and Berlin.

    Ignorance is one thing, willful ignorance is quiet another. A lot of posters here fall into the latter category



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    What Israel gave Hamas amounts to chicken feed, they viewed it as splitting the Palestinian cause, the PLO/Fatah represented an old colonial legacy, largely educated in western universities, loves western thinkers like Marx but they lost the average member of the Palestinian population from the middle 80s on.

    So they were also just dealing with the reality of the situation and trying to keep Hamas bought, have them be a governing power in Gaza with responsibilities for its people and not just always war, war, war.

    That was a mistake they were assuming that their mindset was the same as their own but they have a total different outlook and having Gaza prosper was not it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,766 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    All you did was engage in non-answers to a very simple proposition.

    This is very easy to understand and it's a yes or no answer. I'm not interested in any long winded non-sequiturs or strawman arguments.

    Do you agree with the statement that Israel is the only nation that is wiping a people and their land off the map?

    Yes or no?

    Here's the map again just in case you miss it…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If Israel was not a majority Jewish state there would be no Hamas or PLO and there wouldn't be a single person protesting if ten times as many died infighting.

    Not only that there would bei International Brigades going to help them like in Spain in the 30s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Why are there witnesses then from within his own party that he's on record saying , the most effective route to prevent a palestinean state is for the Israelis to prop up Hamas? It seems he has a different motive than your cloud cuckoo land.

    Why is he also on video , in private, boasting about hijacking and destroying the two state solution, and about manipulating the US to support him?

    So you're either incredibly deceiving, or incredibly ignorant on the matter



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Neither of those records confirm the narrative of the Bible, quite the opposite.

    It's a bag of sand you might not want to base legitimacy on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    He is taking credit to people he needs support for something that the Palestinians were never going to continence. Politician in shocker talks himself up.

    Look at you morning Sinwar, a man who made Pinochet look like a communist sympathiser and yet presumably you are part of the modern left. Square that circle, giving a few suitcases of cash to Hamas to keep things steady in Gaza is cynical self interest but how do you explain your view.

    Look at any TD this month. Any stretch of a road repaired and they'll be claiming credit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


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    Stop forcing Israel to have to fight and plan for more strategic positions.



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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Neither talk about enslaved people's fleeing their enslavers. There is no evidence whatsoever for the exodus having anything like the form described in the Jewish propeganda rag. In fact there is no evidence for the "Jewish people" been monoatheist's at that time.

    The Bible is a creation myth and a justification for the genocide of historic Semitic populations of Canaan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,602 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    A totally by the way question but seriously how does the likes of Netanyahu and Putin sleep at night? I toss and turn at night if I have a bill to pay or if I may have annoyed someone. These pair of fukkers are mass murderers of women and children and it doesn't seem to cost them a thought ! It takes a special kind of perverted mind I guess.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Narcissistic personality disorders, the sort of people who should be filtered out for ever entering politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    According to a damage assessment from UNOSAT, 163,778 structures were damaged in the Gaza Strip based on images taken on Sept. 3 and Sept. 6 amounting to 66% of the total. Of these, 78% were completely destroyed or severely or moderately damaged.

    Gaza is essentially unlivable. Israel has zero intention of helping the people of Gaza rebuild. It was extremely difficult to get construction materials into Gaza before the war.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,362 ✭✭✭trashcan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    Netanyahu never wanted a two state solution. That's clear as day. And you conveniently ignored him being witnessed saying israel supporting Hamas will prevent a two state solution.

    Ideally there should be no Hamas , and their social views are far from mine but the key is to understand how and why they came about as I said to someone else in an earlier post. The fact, like it or not, is that had you, me or everyone else on this forum been born and raised in Gaza, a good chunk probably 90% or more would support hamas or even enlist in them.

    This is because of the conditions and environment created of an open air prison in gaza by Netanyahu and the Israelis, who has consistently stalled and blocked the two state solution and propped up hamas to divide the palestineans between the plo and hamas , and also point the finger at hamas as to a reason for not having a peace partner. If they wanted to help gazans or keep things steady there why not send in real aid ? Or stop controlling their water, power or essential goods? You're making no sense whatsoever. And it's well established by multiple agencies that they've blocked aid during this war.

    Hamas and the people of the October attack didn't all wake up one morning anti semitic. Use your brain..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭2Greyfoxes


    See my earlier reply, where I answered your question. If in doubt, please re-read my previous answer.

    Clever word play may win debates, but it doesn't make it true.

    Understanding and explaining things, is not the same as justifying them, if in doubt… please re-read this statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Look about 20k civilians , a high of 30k have died in Gaza, the rest combatants.

    By any definition it is a very small war in a region where half a million dead and counting is seen in several neighbouring countries, mostly at the hands of allies of Hamas and yet people make out this is the greatest event in a century.

    Worker cooperatives being massacred by an army of clerical fanatics, it is nearer to 1930s Spain than anywhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    You're morally reprehensible. Sums it all up why you support the Israelis.

    Dunno why anyone cares about the October attacks too. 1k dead Jews. Hitler would've scoffed at such rookie numbers. Hundreds of thousands of people die every day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,795 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    There's zero archaeological evidence of any type of great kingdom. Or of any unified Jewish kingdom. You mentioned writings from Sheba being found there. that doesn't mean anything. That just means something or someone from Sheba ended up there.

    there's not a single prominant archaelogist who believe that.



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  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You mean the mention of the people of Yahweh and the mention of Israel found on inscriptions in Thebes. Reference in stele made by the son of Rameses 2 of his conquest of the people of Israel.

    Mention of king Joachin and his sons on the ration tablets of Babylon and the food they were given from the stores. Now I'm the Pergamon museum of Berlin.

    Or the houses built in what they believe is the city of Rameses which are identical in structure to those found in Israel at the time.

    Or the mention of the House of David found in the Stele at Tel Dan.

    There's more but you'd rather stay in your ignorance as it supports your belief so I won't bother to mention it. It's much easier to believe your narrative when you ignore the evidence.

    Do carry on.



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