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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,637 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'd add their system to the mix as well. Any electoral system than rewards the runner up who lost by nearly 3 million votes with ultimate victory is undemocratic.

    Trump has appeal because he has a lot in common with much of the American public: a disdain for education and experts, salesmanship, simplicity, vilifying easy targets like China, etc… It's a country with a deep culture of anti-intellectualism where nobody questions regular school shootings and bans on bringing firearms into Trump rallies.

    It takes a long time for a culture and a system like this to ossify but once it has, breaking it up is going to be impossible without the political will generated by a catastrophe. Covid or January 6th should have been enough but the devotion of Trump's base and that of the public to the 2-party system run too deep. I don't see it ever changing, honestly (Edited).

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    She mentioned "Donal Trump" 20 times in 27 minutes.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    You do know she's running against him in an Election in a few weeks right?

    Also - A lot of the questions were "Trump said X , what's your response?"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How many of the questions she was asked reffered to Trump?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm shocked, a candidate naming their opponent multiple times in an interview. Meanwhile Trump only recently referred to his opponent as "retarded". So you can complain all you want about Harris handling an interview professionally, it's a hell of a lot better than the orange guy.

    Also somewhat telling that you still haven't commented on him swaying on stage for 40 minutes. If Harris or Biden did the same, you most definitely wouldn't be ignoring it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Well that tactic has worked for Trump so why not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Another one of those inane meaningless factoids about the interview you waited to look up this morning that still doesn't substantiate your "car wreck" commentary last night.

    She mentioned Hannibal Lecter 0 times, Sharks 0 times, Said bing bing bong bong 0 times, told people to vote on January 5th 0 times, stopped taking questions to blast Pavarotti and Cats tunes 0 times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Is this where we’re at now? Harris mentioning her opponent in an interview is the criticism?

    You’d swear Trump only spoke on policy and didn’t spend the majority of his time insulting Harris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Is this part of the specifics that made the interview such a car crash in your eyes?

    The specifics that you're just too busy to post but somehow have had time to post multiple times across the day?

    Are you ever going to actually reply to any of the substantive posts that tear apart your position?

    Or are you just planning on waffling away to yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,016 ✭✭✭✭briany


    You could write a pretty fat thesis on it, and I'm sure many have, although it hasn't really brought political thinkers any closer to figuring out how to defuse some of the more toxic elements of American culture.

    One cornerstone of American culture is this concept of 'rugged individualism' where people aspire to be very autonomous from any kind of overseeing power and that there is essentially a duty on them to rise up if they feel any government is infringing on their right to do their own thing. Like most things, this has positive and negative aspects, but if we're talking about the darker side of the American mindset, it seems like this can manifest as a blind rejection of anything which contradicts their worldview, even if sensible. The irony of it is that you end up with a set of individuals who are self-enforcing a very dogmatic and rigid politics.

    This mindset takes absolute primacy for a subset of Americans, and the second amendment is seen as enabling the first, so alterations to it or its enactment cannot even be discussed.

    You also have another set of Americans, and I guess there's a fair bit of overlap here, who see themselves as the rightful inheritors of the land. It's a combative mindset we see in quite a few modern countries where the old inhabitants were mostly slaughtered and the remnants allowed to live in quantities that can in no way threaten the new status quo. This set aren't necessarily anti-intellectual in a blanket sense, because they send their kids to the very best colleges money can afford, but they are wary of intellectualism being a vector for progressive social change that may upend their privileged position, and this they will attack whenever they see it.

    You could write a whole lot more, but these are just a couple of thoughts.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Spent 0 mins just grooving to music. Total disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    The only judge of how she did will be on election day. It doesn't matter a jot what some randomers on boards think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Or the 'trap' to set up a 2nd interview?? "We've had one Fox Interview yes but what about second Fox Interview?"

    Ever shifting narratives about how it was simultaneously a car wreck but also a subtle softball layup to entice a follow up interview where they will finally put the screws to her, etc.

    Even in one post: "She didn't answer any questions" & "Her answer to every question was"

    Flood the thread with sh*t even if it's all self-contradictory I guess.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I give it a week before we start hearing that she's too afraid to do a second Fox interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Obviously betting odds don’t tell the whole story but they’ve completely flipped in the last month which at the very least is worrying despite dems trying to belittle it. Harris was at 4/5 on and she’s out to 13/10 now and drifting. We need the polls to be completely wrong but I feel less confident with every passing day. She should be a mile ahead because Trump is the worst candidate for president in the history of the US.

    Personally i think the democrats screwed up in a massive way and should have waited until a couple of weeks ago to replace Biden. The "shiny new thing" surge would have seen her romp home but now it's a coin flip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭scottser


    There's been a few posts about it. One dude alone dumped 25m on Trump the other day, skewing the odds in Rapey Don's favour in order to bolster the DJT stock price. I believe it's back up to about $30 today.

    Warned and 1 week forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on


  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Frankly if you base your life around betting odds, you haven't got anything useful to say.

    The polls aren't even worth **** for various reasons - and since betting is predominantly based on polls and gaming the betting market - it's about as useful for predicting the future as chicken entrails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,582 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Wouldn’t have been possible to replace Biden until a couple of weeks ago, the nominee needed to be confirmed at the DNC in late August. And I disagree anyway, she needed time to get her campaign together and get out and do debates and interviews instead of having the Democrats look like they’re completely panicking and just replacing Biden with someone else.

    And there have been several posters who have given information in this thread as to why betting odds are an unreliable indicator for predicting the outcome. It’s interesting to see in the absence of any real polling movements that betting odds are now frequently coming up instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The position was the other week, when Trump didn't want to do a second debate: 'well why does he need to do a second debate? He won the first one'

    Now they're today murmuring about her having to do a 2nd Fox interview, despite the fact she clearly won at it and got what she wanted out of it, Baier indicated as much. No need to do another right.

    If she's 'too afraid' to do another, Trump is too afraid to do a second debate - even on Fox News. With Baier as a moderator even though, they allege, he 'destroyed' her etc.

    It's all too gas.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So of those things you highlighted, and ignoring your misrepresentations and falsehoods, notice how much the interviewer brings up Trump. Yet maintain that Harris mentioned Trump too much.

    How was she supposed to address these points and questions without mentioning Trump?

    Also, how do these points gel with your previous claim that this was all a trap to lull Harris into doing a second interview? Have you abandoned this claim?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Personally i think the democrats screwed up in a massive way and should have waited until a couple of weeks ago to replace Biden. The "shiny new thing" surge would have seen her romp home but now it's a coin flip.

    Silly.

    Best time for it was before the convention so the delegates could consider the matter, there was even time for people to throw their name in as new challengers to the process. The same people making these kind of petty nitpicks are also the ones that complained that July 21st was 'too late' and 'a coup'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    There's a taped phone call from Daniels' attorney to her, telling her about the "offer".

    I believe the response was something along the lines of, "are you effing kids doing me?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Speaking of shifting, self-contradictory narratives: Elon is the sole bankroller of an antisemitic PAC that simultaneously casts Harris as Pro Palestinian - and Pro Israeli.

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/elon-musk-tied-to-super-pac-claiming-kamala-harris-is-both-too-pro-israel-and-pro-palestinian-report/

    The super PAC, Future Coalition PAC, raised eyebrows last month with an ad many critics dubbed anti-Semitic as it highlighted the Jewish faith of Harris’s husband to make the case to Arab voters in Michigan that she is not to be trusted when it comes to Israel.

    The ad begins with a narrator dubbing “Kamala and Doug, America’s pro-Israel power couple” and then praises Harris for fighting to kill the “radical terrorists in Gaza.” It ends with the narrator noting that Harris “leans on Jewish husband Doug Emhoff to advise on high-level pro-Israel policies.”

    On the flip side, the Musk-funded PAC puts out a completely contradictory message to Jewish voters in Pennsylvania.

    “In Jewish communities throughout America, questions are being asked: Why did Kamala Harris support denying Israel the weapons needed to defeat the Hamas terrorists who massacred thousands?” the ad asks, adding, “And why did Harris show sympathy for college protesters who are rabidly antisemitic?”

    All they have left are lies, hate, and division, hoping nobody does as the reporters did here and connect the dots from one market audience to the other. 'Palestinian Americans, Her husband is a filthy Zionist Jew!' 'Jewish Americans, She's a filthy Hamas lover!'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    North Carolinians seem to have started early voting with the same enthusiasm as Georgians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    What a weird reply. I don't base my life around betting odds that's why i said they don't tell the whole story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I was literally in the process of cross referencing the interview video for some of your points.

    I was about to thank you for actually attempting to reply to some of the points made in good faith. I was in the process of making concessions that I don't think Kamalas border responses(which was roughly the first half of the interview) were particularly strong and why she's constrained by her party demographics.

    And then I was going to explain some of the other points around why she was flipping the script on Trump constantly and why none of that in any way makes this a "car crash" interview. On the same level as Trump dancing for 40 minutes instead of Q and A.

    But then as @Ha Long Bay points out….. You literally just f*cking copy pasted paragraphs from some random twitter users arguments and plagiarised it as your own!? How lazy can you get? Why should I bother going to the effort?

    And then you start editing the post after being caught with your pants down. You know we can see that right?

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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You obviously do pay attention to them and believe they means something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Paying attention isn't basing your life around something.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Looked up this guy. The thread right after the one with suspiciously familiar summaries of the interview is straight up anti vax conspiracy nonsense.

    The one after that is him shilling for a gold company.

    Not someone who's opinion I would take very seriously, never mind copy paste from.



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