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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Just watched that interview. Harris doing a trump in attacking the opponent, I suppose when you can't beat them join them. The irony must be lost on a lot of posters here lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,435 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You must have never watched a political interview before in your life.

    Candidate criticises her opponent and their record \ policies?

    shock

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's perfectly fine to dislike both of them for all sorts of reasons.

    What gets called out here is nonsense like "They're both equally bad" etc.

    They aren't - Harris has plenty of flaws that a better alternative might highlight , but the decision in front of the American voters is either Harris , a less than perfect politician or Trump , an out and out criminal , racist and misogynist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    She didn't answer anything about immigration, economy etc just vague answers like trump and attacked the opponent. Trump like tactics , quiet funny actually



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Tactic for what , its just a discussing board in a country not voting , you don't gain anything from downplaying or over playing either candidate .Nobody on here at all disagrees with criticisms of Trump , we all mostly agree , Yet any slight of Kamala is meet with "tactics of trump supporters" " but Trump " so on & so on its very odd,

    Surely you can take her interview on its own merit , it was far from car crash but also poor in parts like the "but trump " parts

    Unfortunately its not up to decided if they are equal that'll be done by the American public in 2 weeks ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,640 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The Bloomberg interviewer saying "Yeah, compared to Venezuela" to Trump's face won the day. That interview fell apart soon after, Trump started on insulting the guy.

    Compared to Venezuela. Awesome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    And you don't have to support either Horse,

    Liverpool V Chelsea is on the weekend i'm sure some United/City /Arsenal fans have some views on the game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    If Trump wins what does that say about Harris ?? or does it say more about the American public ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,435 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Again, how is that "Trump like tactics" unless you've never seen a political interview before in your life?
    Are you saying you've never seen a politician criticise their opponent before Trump?
    Nobody could believe that, your claims have no credibility.

    So what Trump specific tactics did she use?
    Swaying on stage listening to music for 30 minutes?
    Racist drivel about pets being eaten?
    Did she call Trump "retarded" or slag off his weight - something Trump repeatedly does to his political opponents?
    Well?

    Harris went on to blame Trump for persuading Republicans in Congress to vote down a border deal earlier this year, saying: "He preferred to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem."

    How is that not answering anything about immigration?

    She was part of an administration that brought a border deal to Congress, a border deal her party approved of, Republicans in committee approved on… until Trump wanted it nixed because he wanted a problem he could race bait on.
    Is she not supposed to mention that?
    What is supposed to say?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Where did you see that?

    By the way ,the very first question seemed to catch her a bit off guard.

    What was the right answer I wonder.She was asked for the numbers("how many millions") of illegal immigrants that came in in her term of office and she pivoted the the topic in its generality.

    It felt like she was avoiding what the numbers were.(that was the impression -one that the interviewer was aiming for I think)

    I am not sure what the answer is to why it took 3 years to get to the consensus that Trump tanked so ignobly and the GOP rolled over for.

    I think it could be that the Dems just don't want to fight on that ground even though imo they were not egregiously at fault and it is the lack of bipartisanship that was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Except that, she did. I guess you didn't even watch the interview.

    It's funny, Fox News was just complaining days ago that they wanted a transcript in full for the 60 minutes interview but I can't find any transcript of theirs for Baier's interview.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/pressure-mounts-cbs-news-release-full-kamala-harris-interview-transcript

    But anyway yes she spoke about her small business plans and the immigration reform bill that Trump ordered Republicans to suicide in Congress. To say she didn't answer anything about immigration is the baldest of lies about the interview.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If you want to just discuss Liverpool you'd want to be in or start a Liverpool thread wouldn't you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In fairness, pretty much every poster who claims to be on the fence posts constant criticism of Harris while often either praising Trump or ignoring his endless missteps. The fact they're unwilling to admit their support of Trump says a lot about what a toxic figure he is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Yes she didnt provide any answers.

    She turned up 15 minutes late for the interview and then tried to shorten the interview so Baier had to go in hard. It was a missed opportunity for her and further illustrated that she doesn’t want to answer any questions.

    Her answer to every question was Orange Man Bad.

    If you are a fan of her you will probably think she did well as she was feisty and fought back.

    If you aren’t a fan of her you will think she did terribly and if you are undecided she didn’t win your vote and she didnt really inform the voter as to whom she was.

    When she did have the opportunity to say what she would do differently to Biden she said go to KamalaHarris.com and read 80 pages of material lol.

    Geraldo said “I am baffled by the lack of preparation going into the highest profile interview she has,” and, called the interview “a wash.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    I guess you see what you want to see ... Plenty of observers agree with me. She was wishy washy, unclear and blamed trump for everything. She answered nothing and avoided everything, a real trump tactic

    https://news.sky.com/story/kamala-harris-risked-a-lot-for-combative-fox-news-interview-it-may-not-have-paid-off-13234968



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Specific content aside, I don't think I saw anything in that interview that you don't see all the time when a politician goes on TV for an interview of that format.

    Was she any different than you might expect Simon Harris or Michael Martin to be in interviews they are going to be doing in the coming weeks in the run up to the election here?

    I don't think so - Solid on things viewed as points of strength and deflecting or filibustering on areas of potential weakness , like ALL politicians do and always have.

    Trump has created this view that everything is binary and that it's all a zero-sum game. It's either total victory or total defeat.

    Which is why you get these narratives after a solid if unspectacular performance from Harris, there's no nuance allowed , so because she punted on a few questions ( but nailed others) , the narrative is all "Car-Crash" etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The interview wasn't that bad at all but everyone is tired of any time she gets stuck saying " but Trump".



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't know what the tactic is for. It perplexes me as well.

    But there is a current of nitpicking Harris while completely ignoring and avoiding issues with Trump.

    Like for instance, I asked you a pretty direct and simple question for which you gave no answer.

    There's not much discussion to be had if you're unwilling to agree to a basic point like Trump's recent media appearances have been embarrassing disasters. And there's not much point in picking apart an at worst meh interview by Harris when in view of the interviews and rallies where Trump is blanking out for 30 minutes.

    "Harris didn't give a clear answer on a point." vs "Trump dodged a question about whether or not he had phone calls with Putin."

    "Harris talked about Trump too much." vs "Trump talked about using the military against "enemies within"."

    You might have a point if the republican candidate wasn't someone spiting out stuff like that constantly. But the candidate is Trump and he does do that stuff, so the comparison bares keeping in mind.

    Also, you're right, I don't decide if they are equal. That's plainly evident by simply looking at their behavior and policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Exactly, it was poor and really like a trump interview where vague answers are given then attack the other guy. Harris must be getting desperate to even do that interview, I'd say internal polling is setting off alarm bells.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright




  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some people just aren't funny so we take what they say as what they mean.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It'll be a bit of both , but mostly it will be the latter.

    The fact that so many of them have fallen for the lies and nonsense is an indictment on their critical thinking.

    He won't Control the border" or "fix the economy" - He'll f*ck them both.

    His tariff plan will destroy the global economy , which will actually drive more and more migration as the less resilient economies around the world collapse under the recession that he will be responsible for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    She attacked her opponent for being false on the border and playing political games with the issue. Because Trump obviously wants to run on the border and not solve it. It's a valid political strategy that's been around since politics existed as a concept. Meanwhile Trump is saying immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country and that they have bad gene's.

    The two strategies aren't remotely equivalent.

    Tactic for what , its just a discussing board in a country not voting ,

    You're mostly right but there are Americans on here who will be voting in the election. Like @Overheal. And the candidate chosen will have a dramatic effect on our country and continent.

    But if you want an answer on why the false centrists on here are doing what they're doing… Then you'd need to ask them. I've got some ideas but I could be way off the mark.

    Nobody on here at all disagrees with criticisms of Trump , we all mostly agree

    If this were true then i believe we'd see much much more criticism of Trump. Since he's not in any way in the same league as Harris on just about any metric you care to mention. But they barely make a squeak.

    The funny part is if they were just honest and said they liked Trump and didn't like Harris and gave us some reasons why then there'd be much less chagrin here. But they do this ridiculous hide the ball strategy where they pretend that they support neither but only ever criticize one side and never the other in the name of balance.

    It's honestly insulting that they think we're stupid enough not to see what they're doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I thought you had a busy day of work to get to? Now you don't?

    Still no real specifics here, droll invectives; she provided plenty of answers, so that's a bald face lie.

    The claim about her being 'late' to the interview reveals a confirmation of what @King Mob and @Virgil° said of your tactics.

    You waited until you could do enough googling around or social media scrolling this morning to find an obscure report that Harris was a few minutes late to the interview and are trying to run with that, which doesn't do anything to explain your empty complaints about the interview being a "car crash" last night.

    Still no specifics from you where and when in the interview this car crash allegedly occurred at. Meanwhile even Baier is admitting along with the internet his car crash occurred when he tried to gloss over Trump's rhetoric about unleashing the military on the American people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭randd1


    I'd go American public. The Trumpists were literally attacking and threatening to kill people coming to help them after a hurricane. Said hurricane's, that have been observed happening for hundreds of years, were not blamed on weather, but on Democrats controlling the weather and/or punishment for the acceptance of homosexuality.

    For crying out loud, you had people sticking sanitary pads to their face because Trump's ear was grazed in a shooting attempt. A shooting attempt that could easily be solved, we're told, by a good guy with a gun. Except the good guys with a gun didn't prevent anything until after the shooting started and someone lost their life.

    Or that two billionaires with a distinct and open admitted hatred of workers unions, one of who has a history of rarely if ever paying his bills to working people, who are in favour of removing regulations on big business to drive smaller businesses out of existence, are somehow going to make everything better for the working man.

    You can't reason or reach that level of collective stupid, it takes a serious level of buy-in over a long time.

    And collective stupidity is definitely a growing American trait, more specifically Republican/evangelical who seem to be growing more stupid by the minute. They're an empire in decline primarily because they value stupidity over intelligence.

    Harsh to judge an entire country like that, but they really are becoming more thick.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Notice also now the notion that this was a cunning trap by fox seems to have been dropped.

    She ran late for the interview that was designed to be a cake walk for her to lull her into coming back for another interview where the trap would be sprung?

    But also, the reason why she did so well in the interview was that she was late and left before Fox could ask her the real tricky questions?

    But she also didn't do well cause the interview was still a car crash, but she also has been tricked into coming back?



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Criticizing Trump on a Trump biased media outlet was a very shrewd use of the short amount of time available. Your not going to change MAGA voters minds on the economy or immigration - but pointing out how terrible Trump is to a Trump audience is about the best you could hope to achieve.

    You don't think this was not wargamed beforehand and she decided this was the only valid approach possible in a hostile environment. She played another blinder simply by not allowing herself to be brow beaten and making some valid points about the unsuitability of Trump.

    Job done - move along to the next interview.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Also - Robbing Fox of 10 or 15 minutes of editing time between the end of the interview and the broadcast slot wasn't a bad move either.

    They had limited opportunity to "tweak" the content how they might have liked - No bad thing in my view.



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