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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    It's the asylum economic ecosystem (NGOs, Lawyers, Hoteliers, Developers, Landlords, and contractors) that has seen a connected few Gombeens gorge at the trough at the expense of the taxpayer.

    You'll get the three "wise" posters on here that will deny, obsfucate, and gaslight anyone that points this out, even when the evidence is presented to them that there are a few connected Gombeens in this country making a truckload of money off of this crisis.

    Warned and 3 day forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    And there’s 100s of office blocks vacant since covid and working from home has become popular.


    Thank god I’m not one for conspiracies because this seems all too convenient to me….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Thanks all. Really appreciate the above replies and support. 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,719 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Must be nice, coming to this country and already getting the benefits of a lovely house for themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,719 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    All these are entering from safe countries because those safe countries deny their application and they see Ireland as a soft touch

    It's basically a merry go around of who will accept these illegals



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I'm not sure all is as it seems here.

    It was reported by The Times in Aug…

    It is understood that the 1.18-hectare site will include 270 apartments and 320 student bedrooms. A fitness centre, landscaped courtyard and rooftop terrace will be among the facilities.

    https://www.thetimes.com/world/ireland-world/article/waste-tycoon-eamon-waters-plots-600-units-in-dublin-4-8zbrvnjch

    …and now Mr Waters is talking about (threatening) 600 IPAS units in the prestige D4 site - Could this new proposal go anyway towards reversing the recent planning permission refusal for a hotel on Baggot St (Tesco building), and possibly clear any other hurdles Mr Waters is currently facing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,719 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    And also we hear the odd story about these illegals coming into the country without documentation and going to jail BUT we certainly dont hear to the extent of 865 people, that's for sure

    I strongly suspect this government is not enforcing the rules of this country, these people should be in jail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Italy gets it, neither Bangladesh or Egypt are unsafe

    They ship em to Albania



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,719 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    It's a small number but it's a start - we do need to start kicking these wasters out, not throwing down the welcome mat.

    15 in a semi in Portartlington ??? For the love of God who thought that was a good idea ? And how did this happen without the consent of the owner ????



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    In a parallel thread we are told that BRICS group of countries are the bees knees and are the future of the world economy

    I think we should oblige them and send anyone from those places back home too, China and India alone have 3 billion people and are not “unsafe” yet millions from this BRICS jamboree try to emigrate to the decadent “west” they give out about so regularly

    There is also an increase in sabotage and arson attacks across Europe from the Russians from this BRICS, put em on first train out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The big question is where are all these  Ukranians and asylum seekers going ? Modular homes that cost 120% more than inital estimates and only last 60 years at best .


    [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/other/government-terminates-243-contracts-with-providers-of-emergency-accommodation-for-ukrainians/ar-AA1spwu0?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f2fe37655234414b9c1a12794b4a2d8e&ei=81[/URL]


    Thias appears to be NGO influence over government that such EU regulations were breached in favour of more generous welfare . The same is true when Ukranians came getting full social welfare unlike other EU countries creating a two tier asylum policy.


    [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-breached-eu-regulations-failing-33762596[/URL]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭rgossip30




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Sharing a well known racist account. No surprise there.

    A racist attack is part of a larger societal issue of systemic racism. It perpetuates centuries of discrimination, marginalization, and oppression based on race or ethnicity, affecting not just the individual victim but also other people of that ethnicity.

    In a racist attack, the individual is targeted not because of their actions or involvement in a personal conflict, but purely based on an immutable aspect of their identity. This means the attack dehumanizes them on a fundamental level, treating them as inferior because of race, ethnicity, or nationality. This type of harm can have deep psychological effects, reinforcing feelings of inferiority and fear across racial or ethnic groups.

    His point is that it's entirely different to an attack over a personal dispute between indigenous people or something like that. The damage extends beyond the individual to the larger group, creating a climate of fear and mistrust.

    I can understand how someone might think a racist attack makes sense in their world, even though it's completely backwards. Maybe they’ve convinced themselves it’s all about "defending their territory" or some weirdly outdated mindset, like they're starring in a bad 80s action movie where they’re the hero.

    The dreaded incoming hate speech laws and recent arrest of a far right agitator have a lot of people up in arms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Waffling get….do you believe an attack on a foreign child racially motivated or not is more serious than an assault on your own child?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Comparing the severity of an attack on a foreign child versus your own is fundamentally flawed and reveals a troubling lack of understanding about the nature of violence and its broader implications. The question trivializes the serious impact of racism and ignores that all violence against children is unacceptable and should be condemned equally, regardless of the victim's background. While it’s instinctive to feel a stronger emotional response to violence against someone close to you, naturally, reducing the severity of racially motivated attacks to personal feelings is dangerous. Every assault on a child is horrific, but racially motivated violence goes beyond individual harm; it inflicts psychological trauma that can resonate through entire communities, fostering fear and perpetuating cycles of discrimination. It communicates a grotesque message that a child's identity can justify violence against them, further entrenching societal prejudices. This is in contrast to an attack between children because of a disagreement over a game or something like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭BobMc


    Dont forget Roddie signed off on a planning exemption allowing developers to convert sites to IPAS centres with no oversight or planning required (20F planning exemption) they seem to do this to house the incoming and yet cant come up with a plan to house the homeless irish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,093 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    You do realise that by introducing a two-tier justice system in favour of non-whites will perpetuate exactly what you're talking about, but only in reverse?

    Just look at the justice that was meted out during rioting after those girls were killed in Southport. I am obviously not defending any of the actions of those found guilty, but the sentencing was often disproportionate given the nature of the crimes and some of the individuals involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    The claim that addressing racist crimes creates a two-tier justice system fundamentally misunderstands the nature of these offenses. Racist crimes, particularly those targeting individuals based on their identity, carry significant societal implications and often lead to long-lasting psychological harm. In contrast, conflicts over trivial matters, like disputes during a game, do not have the same gravity or consequences. The justice system must recognize the differences between these types of offenses and respond appropriately.

    Regarding the Southport riots, the sentences given to those involved were deserved and necessary to maintain public order. These incidents reflect serious actions that demand accountability. Similarly, individuals spreading far-right misinformation must face harsher sentences, as their actions contribute to a culture of hate that threatens the safety of marginalized communities.

    A stark example of the seriousness of racist crimes is the murder of Josip Stock, who was killed simply for speaking Croatian. This tragic event highlights the real-world consequences of intolerance and the urgent need to address hate crimes effectively. We must prioritize the fight against racism and ensure that our justice system reflects the seriousness of these offenses. Just don’t be racist—it's essential for creating a safer, more equitable society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,093 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    What you're talking about can only possibly work is if there's without a shadow of a doubt that a person is guilty of committing an offence based on race.

    What's happening in reality (as seen in Southport) is that actual evidence of being racist isn't even a factor. If you're just an ordinary criminal who saw an opportunity to go out and riot, you were convicted as a racist. You seem to be completely oblivious that your points on marginalization and societal implications are going to apply just as much to white people as they are to any other racial group.

    The government are opening a can of worms on this issue and as with most things they do, it will only serve to exacerbate racial tensions in the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    What about a racial attack on an irish person is that less serious ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    The Southport riots serve as a clear example of a situation where the offenders knew exactly what they were doing, participating in a far-right riot with racial motivations. Many involved in those events demonstrated blatant racism and, as such, deserved the harsh sentences they received. Hate crimes are serious offenses that not only harm individuals but also threaten the fabric of society, which is why it's crucial that those who perpetrate such acts are held accountable.

    Additionally, the far-right misinformation spreaders who create an environment where violence, like the murder of Josip Stock, becomes possible also deserve severe penalties. These individuals play a significant role in perpetuating hate and inciting violence, contributing to a culture of intolerance that must be challenged. With the introduction of new laws aimed at addressing hate crimes more effectively, we should see people getting done, ensuring that those who have caused harm through racist rhetoric are held responsible for their actions. I would even hope to see it giving the guards impetus to pursue cases that they may be investigating now, retroactively but that may be a pipe dream.

    Research shows that far-right extremism is linked to increased incidents of violence against marginalized groups (Institute for Strategic Dialogue, 2020). The gravity of these offenses demands a justice system that recognizes their impact and delivers appropriate sentences. I was delighted to see the recent arrest in Wicklow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭bsloepro


    not possible don’t you know!!

    Some pile of twaddle - I got knifed in North Africa 11 years ago by a guy who looked like he was from the area. It didn’t make it any worse or any better to me considering that it could have been a racist attack. If my two half Asian kids got attacked because of their look it wouldn’t make it any worse than if some random (Irish) kid got attacked for nothing. Well not to the victims anyway - the important people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    While your personal experience of being knifed in North Africa is undoubtedly traumatic and shapes your views, it’s important to recognize that the context of violence significantly influences its impact. The perception that a racially motivated attack on a person of color is no different than an attack on an Irish person overlooks critical aspects of societal implications and systemic issues.

    For example, you mentioned that if your half-Asian children were attacked because of their appearance, it wouldn’t matter any more than if an Irish child were attacked. However, racially motivated attacks can perpetuate cycles of fear and division in communities, reinforcing systemic inequalities. Such incidents often lead to a broader sense of vulnerability among targeted groups, which can have long-lasting psychological effects​.

    Hate Crime Reporting Website

    Garda

    Additionally, the fact that your experience occurred in a different cultural and geographical context may influence your view on the severity of racial attacks. In Ireland, incidents of racially motivated violence have been rising, particularly against minority groups, which can contribute to a climate of fear and insecurity​

    Hate Crime Reporting Website

    While individual experiences with violence should be acknowledged and validated, they cannot overshadow the broader implications of hate crimes, which often aim to marginalize and intimidate entire communities. Understanding these nuances is essential for addressing the root causes of racism and promoting a more inclusive society.

    I'd also encourage you to browse r/Hapas to get an insight of how your children might feel if they get targeted due to their race as there are tons of examples there and it wouldn't be a bad idea to arm yourself with more knowledge as their father.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭bsloepro


    you make some good points and I appreciate the links and detail you went to. I can agree on some issues like impact on society etc. I just don’t agree that the impact & trauma (on me) of getting attacked for nothing is going to be any easier to deal with than the impact & trauma (on me) of getting attacked because of my race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,061 ✭✭✭conorhal


    I wonder where all these types tend to live and congregate?

    I wonder why we are renovating empty office blocks to house refugees when the Hampton Hotel on Morehamption rd in Donnybrook (currently for sale) is empty? Surely a place like that is more suitable than the some pub in the middle of nowhere with no transport links?

    https://www.daft.ie/commercial-property-for-sale/former-hampton-hotel-19-29-morehampton-road-donnybrook-dublin-4/5441520



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,093 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It wasn't clear at all.

    It didn't seem to matter whether someone stood outside a mosque and threatened Muslims or whether they stole a tray of sausage rolls out of Greggs. Whether you were an actual racist, or whether you were just a opportunistic petty criminal you got the same harsh sentencing.

    All the things you talk about like having a climate of fear, marginalization, fracturing of society, etc. These are all things that are being stoked by this move towards a two-tier justice system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    As in the term pushed upon us ' black people cannot be racist ' .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,633 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Victims of crime are just that, victims. The effects of crimes on people rarely depends on the motives of the offender. Random or targeted, the effects very from person to person. I agree that most victims don't care why the offender targeted them, just that they did. Same with offenders, it doesn't really matter to most victims, who the attacker is, if they are not known to them.

    Racist attacks should not be tolerated, in any decent society. It's not a case of which victim is more important, all victims are important. The singling out of individuals based on their natural characteristics, shouldn't be excused. There is no need for a hieracy of victims.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭bsloepro



    100% they should not be tolerated. This line of conversation is in regards to the interpretation of Barry Wards comments.

    Should we then be calling for harsher sentences for the same criminal act where in one case it has been interpreted or assumed to be a racially motivated?

    Ironically then we have cases where lighter sentences have been applied to people in Irish courts because of their race.

    I think parity is something we should strive for - across the board.



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