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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,734 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    and he won't have much opposition in Poland on that view as polish soldiers are getting attacked on the Belarus border.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    If I was Polish and especially a Polish soldier I'd be more concerned with how Putin and his cronies have used migrants to create a tense, militarized border on their Eastern flank.

    Didn't have to be that way, but the populists were of course outraged by the relatively small numbers arriving, and now Putin has a low-level conflict right on their doorstep that he can escalate whenever he pleases.

    The Polish party who started to politicize the arrival of migrants, were they one of the explicitly pro-Putin anti-immigration groups, or one of those so blinded by their own self interests/stupidity to care that they were playing right into his hands?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭Will0483


    Thanks for the link. The section below is pretty grim reading especially when you consider the 2nd or 3rd generation following on from initial Asylum Seekers tend to have far higher crime rates than their Parents and Grandparents.

    If anyone in the Irish Government is paying attention at all, they will quickly get deporting all illegal immigrants and if not, it will be current Irish Citizens and residents who will pay the price both now and in future.

    There were 214,000 violent crimes, a 15-year high and an increase of 8.6 per cent. Robberies were up 17.4 per cent, knife crimes 9.7 per cent. Homicides were up 2.1 per cent, sex crimes 2.4 per cent. Crimes involving knives nearly tripled between 2020 (10,121 incidents) and 2023 (26,230). An internal analysis leaked to the Welt newspaper showed that knife crimes in Northern Rhine-Westphalia shot up 45 per cent over a recent 12-month interval. Other statistics from that state: in 2023, 80.1 per cent of pickpockets were foreigners, as were 47.6 per cent of shoplifters, 47.3 per cent of burglars, 41.6 per cent of homicide suspects, and 37.1 per cent of suspects in violent sex crimes.

    The Germany-wide statistics on sexual violence were also sobering. An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023. Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021. 

    In 2023, there were 761 gang-rapes registered in Germany — almost two per day; 47.5 per cent of the suspects were foreigners. The frequency of such crimes  — which were rare in Germany as late as the 1990s — has hovered between 600 and 800 per year for the past 7 years. The statistics go on for page after mind-numbing (or mind-boggling) page. Berlin’s police chief delivered the upshot: “Bluntly stated, our numbers show that violence in Berlin is young, male, and has a non-German background.” 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,030 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Side note, this was a pain to find.

    Could it not be renamed "Time for a zero refugee policy? Part 2"

    Post edited by Panthro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭prunudo


    As far as I know, the only restrictions is on the ratio of EU staff vs non EU staff. So to employ people on the work visa system, you can only have a certain percentage of non EU vs Irish and EU staff.

    Sorry for not explaining very well.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Not one nation being singled out per se but Indians etc working in high level tech jobs, healthcare (properly qualified, i.e. GP, nurse etc) finance and the like, and here on skilled worker visas - absolutely fine

    Someone coming from India on a student visa, overstaying/dropping out and then working in Tesco when we have Irish and EU unemployed, not earning enough to stay out of needing social welfare supports - huge problem.

    I am sure you can see this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Shhhhh.. you are obviously being racist with your logic.

    You must hate indians.

    /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I'd be surprised if anyone was working in Tesco without a valid student visa, ie it has expired.

    I'd guess there could be cases where people have dropped out of college, and the college and relevant department aren't communicating, but I'd think the number likely to be very small and not grounds for concern about 'all the Indians working in Tesco'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,622 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,719 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,093 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I am not fooled.

    That must be an hour's worth of illegal immigration for Italy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,719 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Italy have a deterrent now, watch the drastic drop in illegal immigration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,622 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Why do you think they are not entitled to work here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sekiro


    Of course it wouldn't be any different for us. People just hope that it won't happen to them and can't resist the draw of imagining themselves as being on the right side of history and the thrill of getting to call other people racist or whatever.

    Many of the most passionate open borders people are no different from the lads who see that one friend being a bit too forward and a bit too creepy with the ladies on a night out but still insist "ah sure he's harmless" because it'll never be them on the receiving end.

    Ah sure he's had 53 convictions in seven years but apart from the 7 or 8 criminal convictions a year he's really quite a nice guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭sekiro


    Because a controlled immigration system is discriminatory by design and they cannot tolerate that.

    It's ideological. You are either with them or against them and that's the end of it.

    Even if you think you are making a good argument I guarantee you it will fall on deaf ears.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,622 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There is no binary choice.

    We allow UK & EU citizens live and work here. Anyone outside of that require visas to be here. So, what is the issue with Indian people working here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Half the indian subcontinent!!😂

    You need to brush up on your knowledge of demographics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Indians are probably pretty low down the list of concerns, anywhere they go they seem to keep to themselves and contribute to an economy also criminality among that community seems pretty low (apart from the phone scammers), basically not at all like their near neighbours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭Emblematic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    So there's a rise in crime because of all this refugee nonsense in Germany.

    Victims of serious crimes should get recourse not only from the perpetrators but any immigration officials allowing entry.

    They should also get recourse from the minister of justice Helen mcentee if such crimes happen in Ireland.

    The law should not be used simply as a stick to beat law abiding citizens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I'll say it again...

    Immigration as a concept is a good thing, however it should always come with effective controls and ultimately be for the benefit of the host country and its citizens - not just the new arrivals.

    The needs and priorities of the natives should always come first and never be seconded to the desires or wants of particularly economic migrants.

    Where someone arrives under false pretence (an economic migrant posing as a refugee, or with no/false documentation, or in the back of a container) then they should be refused entry to the country and actively disqualified from future applications - we have enough chancers and criminals as it is without importing more.

    Speaking of criminals, where a migrant is found guilty of a serious crime (rape or sexual assault, murder etc) their right to remain should be immediately cancelled and them deported back to wherever they arrived from. It shouldn't be on the Irish taxpayer to house and pay for their imprisonment when we haven't enough prison spaces as it is.

    On housing in general and specifically in terms of refugees - they have no rights or entitlement to anything bar the legal minimum from a country that is struggling to provide enough and affordable housing for its own citizens. If they are not happy with that, then they can always go home or elsewhere. They are not prisoners.

    I've no tolerance for the nonsensical idea that we owe anyone who lands with a sad story a home, welfare support, and a path to employment. While I sympathise with their desire for a better life, we have enough problems of our own without taking on those of everywhere else.

    If they arrive legally, with skills that we need (I would question how many more delivery drivers we really need for example), and with the ability to support themselves and contribute positively then welcome! If they don't, they should be refused.

    I make no apology for saying that Irish natives and citizens have a right to expect their country to put their needs first. That's a fundamental concept in a State and a core part of the social contract.

    The money from FDI and high tax take won't last forever (as we saw a decade ago) and we shouldn't be squandering billions on chancers, opportunists, and connected hangers on in the NGO sector for no more than "feelz" and "attaboys", when we can't provide housing for our people or tackle the other issues in health, rural and infrastructure development, and of course the massive amounts of waste and inefficiency in the public and political sectors.

    As I keep saying, once we get our own house in order, then we can start thinking about others - not forgetting that we give away billions in foreign aid on top of it all already as well.

    Ireland and the Irish have done (more than) enough! Time to focus on OUR needs and issues, not just those of randomers.

    Post edited by _Kaiser_ on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,249 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Kaiser for President, Tanaiste, Taoiseach, Justice and Intergration Minister, the lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭tom23


    Great post. One of the reasons I come on this site is to read your contributions. You should run in politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    You had this explained to you, respectfully, and deflected. On you that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Never going to happen - he's sensible, logical and cares about Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,622 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Stop. You tried to explain away a post, that bore no resemblance on the one you posted. Another poster actually said that Indian people have no right to work here!

    I don't understand why posters are so quick to defend the indefensible



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,719 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Carol Nolan is probably one of our best TDs we have in this country at the moment.

    “The provider must ensure that the property is of an adequate standard and that the provider will provide the services in accordance with good industry practice"

    So this is an industry built around this then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,249 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The owners should sue ROG's department, the state and providers in charge etc., allowing it without their permission, it really is just a big money racket



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,030 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    The amount of proper sense in Kaiser's post is too damm high!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭SpoonyMcSpoon


    Another example of how the current “refugee” crisis is a scam and was orchestrated to prop up the property market;

    https://www.businesspost.ie/news/eamon-waters-firm-explores-conversion-of-dublin-4-office-block-into-refugee-housing/



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