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Greatest League in the World 2025 [LOI Thread]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭WindmillWarrior


    Drogs have not ruled out the possibility of catching bohs yet lads! If we beat rovers on Friday we'll only be 1 point behind bohs, and they'll then have a tricky trip to sligo on Saturday… who knows...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Especially with Drogheda having Dundalk still to play at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭trashcan


    You’re just trying to kill our buzz now. 😄

    On the run in, I think Rovers have the best chance of winning their three games. Pats could certainly do the same, but that would be nine wins on the bounce, which just seems unlikely. I think Shels are due at least one win, and I’d fancy them to beat Waterford on Friday. Looks like it will go to the last day anyway, with maybe as many as four teams still in it. Would make for a terrific (and nervy) final day.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    And we've not certainly ruled out the possibility we could be caught.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,733 ✭✭✭PGE1970


    It's highly highly unlikely.

    Your goal difference is worth a point. We'll need to take at least five points from matches against Dundalk, Rovers and Shels and for you to take nothing from three games.

    It simply won't happen.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,424 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    The latter might.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Tom2


    9 wins in a row seems very unlikely before the run starts. It doesn’t seem as unlikely when you’re two thirds of the way through and you’ve just won three away Dublin derbies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    I think they could get 7 points which would most likely leave them on 57 and in with a shout for a 2nd.

    It's Shams' to lose at this point. They can afford to drop points in a pretty handy run in for them in their last 3 games and still finish around 59 points which should be enough to win it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,698 ✭✭✭jacool


    That table looks crazy, with the form lines in there

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I wouldn’t be that shocked to see us reach 60. Although we’re certainly not averaging that on recent form. Nobody is going into games fearing us at present, but we’re obviously the favourites (albeit not the kind of favourites you would expect top of the league to be against bottom half teams in the heat of a title race) in the home games against Waterford and Drogheda.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    I'd see Pat's knocking Derry out of it for sure. Then it's up to Drogheda to cause an upset v Shels and Rover's.

    Derry were awful Monday night. That pitch looked like it was in a township in Africa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I still think Derry have a level (that probably we don't have as much) they can reach where they can turn it around though, big time. Highly questionable whether they'll do that within 3 games though. No better opponent than Dundalk when you're looking to get yourself right though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭topmanamillion


    They've one win in 10.....I'd be flabbergasted if Shels take 6 points from their last 3 games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I definitely don’t think it’s the most likely outcome either, but you probably shouldn’t be flabbergasted either if we beat Drogheda/Waterford at home or Derry who are in free fall as much as us nearly.


    As out of form as we’ve been, that Rovers game was still the first time we’ve lost by more than one goal in the league since the 2022 season (and we don’t really ever hammer teams either), so you can basically expect the margins to be super fine almost every time we play, and the game to be decided on 1 or 2 moments.

    At the start of the season, those were going our way consistently, and lately they have not been at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Do you think Duff will hang around if you don't win the league? Hard to come back from being top pretty much all season and then losing it in the last few games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I would be surprised if he packed it in, given how much he is loved, and seems to love it. But it is probably the biggest test of his staying power that we’ll have seen all the same.


    I’d still expect he would be more likely be to be more hungry to turn things positive again in the coming years.


    But I think one of the more important things (and this applies to Shels fans more than fans of other clubs really) is that it doesn’t become the expectation that because we were heavily in the title race once, that we have to do it every year to avoid underachievement.


    The lopsided nature of our season can’t be completely ignored, but it feels pretty unlikely that we won’t finish in a position that we all wouldn’t have bit your hand off for in February.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Fair [points. You'll have Europe anyway, and with Europe more importantly comes money, which you'll need if you want to continue to challenge for titles. Rovers and Pat's have plenty of it so imperative you bring in some new faces during the winter.

    On a sidenote, you guys have a massive catchment area for young talent. You'd hope that Shels have plenty of scouts out at LSL, u17's,18s and 19's games



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I think the club is very well run from the bottom up, so I’m quite satisfied we will continue to do good things.


    If we do fall short in this race (which seems likely), it’s definitely gonna be a tough one to take given how achievable it was from the Summer onwards, but I think by and large the club is on the up and up which is massive, given we spent a decade and a half lurching from disaster to disaster.


    Now if we were to completely capitulate and fail to get Europe, there would be no positivity at all to take from the year. And if you look at the league table, and our form, it’s not completely impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    At the start of the season, the stated aim was to achieve Europe on our own steam and not rely on a cup final result to qualify from 4th, I think that's doable even now, and if that is done, then Duff stays.

    I think he deserves another crack at Europe personally, as I think the results we got this season were in or around what you'd expect them to be, win at home draw away vs the shíte stella maris, and then a draw at home and a loss away to the Swiss team.

    On paper they were a set of results that Duff can stand over and say yeah, job completed as expected. Next summer, depending on the draw of course, the expectation might be 2 wins in the first round, but that's only if the opponents are of similar standing, and whether or not a win is needed in the away leg of course, should the home leg be first and a comfortable win for example, then a draw away is acceptable. After that, again draw depending, we judge the results on their merits.

    As for this season, calling what is happening to Shels a "collapse" is bizarre to me - sure the first round of games was unbeaten, but that was a mad anomaly imo and I don't think anyone expected it to last, in the second round of games just before the summer it was more of an equilibrium and results normalised, but then we had our bad patch and other teams had their good patch. I don't think there was a major performance fall off from the team, but we did lose Molloy and Jarvis, two of the best players in the league, and no matter what Duff tries to do, that sort of talent is in reality irreplaceable in the short term. Those players gave us the marginal gains vs other teams that we just don't have anymore, and I don't think anyone can seriously blame Duff for that - we got lucky with Molloy and Jarvis (and in truth Moylan who's goals have never been replaced), but unless you've a budget like Rovers, Pats or Derry you aren't keeping players like that for any length of time and you need to be constantly be in a rebuild. That means up and down results. How can it not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,243 ✭✭✭✭DvB


    Actually, looking at the fixtures, Shels could easily get 7 points and reach 61, meaning Rovers Would need to get all 9 available to match that & then it comes down to GD.

    If nothing else law of averages says shels are due a win or two & as pointed out above its not like its been a total collapse & hammerings, they've only lost games by 1 goal so all it needs is a couple of chances to go in instead of wide & they're back getting wins again.

    Be a fitting end to a bizarre season if shels do manage to get some wins now when they're being written off and land the title.

    "I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year" - Charles Dickens




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I don't think anyone is writing off Shels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    They are still top, be foolish to right them off.

    Just noticed the lovely symmetry with 2nd, 3rd and 4th (Goals for)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I think people are to an extent in a way.

    Nobody is saying that it is anything resembling a mathematical impossibility, but you don’t have to look too far up in this thread to see someone say they’d be flabbergasted to see us take even 6 points from the last 3.


    And I don’t think they’re alone on an island with that viewpoint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    You can be damn sure, if you don't take all 3 points tomorrow night then that will be that! You do not want Rovers and Derry above you potentially with 2 games left



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Well by that token, derry are a write off too. The form of the top 2 is shocking, and apparently noone can see either of them now winning a few consecutive games.

    So it's Rovers title to lose then. Get the house on them, they were still 2/1 in the bookies the other day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,017 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Looks like the bookies caught themselves on. I definitely seen Rovers were 2/1 this week. Think it was Sunday or Monday.

    Must have been a pile on of money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,243 ✭✭✭✭DvB


    A sneaky few bob on Shels might be worth looking at now.

    "I will honour Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year" - Charles Dickens




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,524 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    I think the bookies have the order of it about right, which isn’t a big shock.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Funnily enough, Shels are a very backable price…….I have already had a smallish bet on Rovers at 9/2 about 3 weeks ago though



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