Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

Burke is not taking this stance to highlight flaws in the law or for other cases affecting other people in the future.

I'd suggest Burke and his highly litigious family have certainly factored in the opaqueness in our contempt laws that sees him currently incarcerated with an eye in the future to challenging the laws.

Focusing anywhere else but on Burke and his actions is outside the remit of the thread and the case and strangely enough the attempt to divert the focus elsewhere is similar to the approach he has taken in trying to claim he is in jail for his beliefs…

Huh?

He is currently imprisoned for contempt. I'm not completely sure but it could be the longest contempt case in the state.

But for some reason you have decided that contempt law isn't topical to the thread.

You sure?

I disagree, either way no one is forcing you to engage.

Are you suggesting I should not engage if my point of view doesn't align with yours?

I was happily engaging with you.

force the discussion in the direction you believe it should go

Focusing anywhere else but on Burke and his actions is outside the remit of the thread

Unlike yourself who is trying to get debate shut down.

Contempt laws are a central part to this story and will continue to be.

IMO.

Dictating to people what they should not be focusing on is not happy engagement and disagreeing with that approach is not shutting down debate.

I'll leave it to the mods because they decide what's on topic and what isn't.

I wasn't trying to dictate anything, I was trying explain to you how the law is interrupted.

You were the only one trying to shut down debate.

Focusing anywhere else but on Burke and his actions is outside the remit of the thread

Pretty much every single one of these "fight da powah" dopes are hypocrites to a fault. They'll all scream and shout about how the Gubbermint are false/unelected/shysters/illegitimate/scumbags/paedos etc., while sticking their hand out for whatever free cash is on offer from the Govt. coffers. Even now, with all that's gone on, if they really had an issue with the school's ethos, they'd refuse to accept the wages being paid by them. Self-analysis is never their forte.

There was a load of squatters in a building on Parnell St in Dublin about 10 years ago. Opened it up to other squatters and had some name like "the Fortified Inn" on it or something. Ostensibly, they were protesting about the Governments lack of action on X and refusal to do Y while continuing to do Z………in reality they were using it as a doss house, where they could sit around drinking cans and acting the bolllocks, pretending to be fighting for the little guy. They had two saps on the door collecting money 'for light and heat' that was spunked on cans of dutch gold as soon as it reached €8.

They were there for just over a week in total, and when I walked past one lunchtime there was a big smiling Guard with a Louth accent standing in the doorway, and loads of disheveled crusties moping about asking if they could get their stuff back. Someone asked what had happened and the Guard burst out laughing……….."Sure, didn't they all go down to get the dole and buy cans at the same time, we just walked in the door and kicked the last few eejits out".

I think demented is the word. There’s no dealing with any of them, there’s no chance of rational discussion. They just want to shout at people. Disgusting people.

FWIW I'd be more than happy to see the Burkes lose their deposit should they have the gumption to stand for election.

It's the argument of Supreme Court Judges past and present.

I certainly wouldn't be confident to state I know better than them.

But you do you.

Who suggested throwing imprisonment for contempt on the scrapheap?

Is there an alternative place for it if it doesn't work as a coercive instrument in law? You describe it as having become punitive in nature because of his decision to ignore it's coercive effect.

Would you prefer the law on imprisonment for ignoring the orders of the high court to be altered from a coercive measure and made a punitive measure, but inclusive of a section which would allow the high court to amend and nullify the term of imprisonment it imposed if some-one like EB was to change his mind and comply with the court order?

What would happen if EB, given his obdurate nature on the issue, decided to ignore any change in law on contempt from coercive to punitive and stay in prison rather than change his mind?

What would happen if EB, given his obdurate nature on the issue, decided to ignore any change in law on contempt from coercive to punitive and stay in prison rather than change his mind?

He doesn't get a choice, he is charged with the criminal act of contempt and gets a definite custodial sentence.

Make it 20 years if they wish.

On a note, I think that if the court was to inform EB and his family that he would NOT be given temporary release from prison over the Christmas/New Year Holiday period but showed its mettle by keeping him in prison then, it might persuade him to show a bit of sensibility. The prisons do not shut up shop over the festive season.

You mean the person who chooses to remove their own liberty, through contempt. There is no bigger picture.

You mean a farmer who is financially compensated for his land that is purchased and given to a multinational.

They then turn around and say things like the person "has nothing to say" and so on but they have just shouted at the person and given them no chance to respond and showed no interest in a dialogue. They seem to simply want to rant on and get footage for a video they can post online. The way that lad was getting into the personal space of people and shouting would have got a very strong push away from me along with telling him in no uncertain terms to never get in my personal space again.

Enoch is her personal Jesus who will have to sacrifice himself so she doesn't lose face on Youtube.

😮 might it end up like this?

"Mrs Burke, if it's not a personal question…"