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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Up to a point, building 10x or 100x doesn’t bypass the 30% capacity factor whatsoever

    You can cover every single acre in windmills and still have extended random periods of nothing and next to nothing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,347 ✭✭✭SeanW


    And that's what advocates of weather-based renewables seem to miss. No matter how much you spend on windmills and solar panels, they will still only produce energy when the weather dictates.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,799 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Dublin has a metro as well doesn't it? I mean I know there was one being planned for 15 years ago? With the greens in power I imagine those plans have accelerated and are now nearly completed?

    I would add solar and hydro to your list. Yes I am aware that we are not an overly sunny country but we are sunny enough to have solar viably in the mix.

    It took 20 years for France to complete their nuclear power plant program and become capable of being completely independent of oil and gas. I'd imagine it would take much longer for us to do the same in Ireland due to our planning laws



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,799 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I don't think a country with population growth like ours can ever shift to using less energy. We could transfer our energy consumption from oil and gas to electricity using EVs and heat pumps but that's probably the best you will get



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Better than nothing is something I have often heard said about a clapped out car that will get you to where you need to be on the odd occassion. It`s not really a policy that i believe should be the basis of providing a states energy needs.

    As to Michael O Leary I would not look on him as much of a template to base much of anything on when it comes to emissions. Michael will do what suits Micheal. This is the man that bought a taxi plate so he could use bus lanes and has deep enough pockets as head of Ryanair, by far Ireland`s largest emissions emitter, that he can well afford solar panels, heat pumps and insulation to his hearts content. Something that the same cannet be said for the ordinary Joe and Josephine Soap.

    I can see where solar domestically has a place, but as a major contributor to overall electricity generation not so much. Our projected demand for 2050 is around 13GW. Presently wind is supplying around 2GW. The capacity factor of solar is poor here, you would be lucky to get 6% during our Winter when demand is at it`t highest. We currently have an installed capacity of less than 1.2 GW. At 6% that is 0.072 GW. For solar to fill the 11GW hole for 2050 we would need 153 times our present installed capacity. For a source that is only going to provide power during daylight hours that will have a decreasing capacity year on year, and would have to be replaced every 20 odd years it really isn`t practical a solution. That Turkey, which isn`t short on sunshine, or Egypt either where they have plenty of desert space to site them are both building nuclear plants should perhaps be an indicator as to all we need to know as regards solar.

    The present unviable 2050 wind plan would leave us short by around 4GW of the 13GW we would require. I have nothing against using less electricity where practical, but reducing demand by one third I do not see as feasible. Especially when we have had the I.D.A for the last few years saying they are having problems selling Ireland to foreign companies, that are the life-blood of our economy, due to their concerns over our ability to supply the electricity they would require to operate here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    It was nearly better when the thread was broken as there was no nuclear being talked about. We should build some reactors, but we won't in any reasonable timeframe. We should build offshore wind, but we won't without handing over many bags of money to some private companies for the pleasure of intermittent power at high prices. We shouldn't close our Moneypoint but we will. We shouldn't import South American timber and then lorry it down the North West coast to burn it and declare it "green", but we do.

    What I'm saying is, we do things arseways. And when the UK and later France decide to charge mental money for electricity/gas, we'll have no choices but to pay or revert back to the dark old days when the wind isn't blowing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Ireland is done as far as new data centre investment. We'll get some scraps but the large players have already pivoted from here and are happily going to where the local governments actually have power and are willing to do business. Intel more than likely won't build again here once the new Fab is done. We'll keep the HQs of the MNC for now, until the EU and US figure out how to get that slice of the pie.

    We had a good run of it but we need to be very careful with spending because in the next decade things could getting sticky.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Kincora2017


    Bus Eireanns remit is not to be the best option on commercial routes like Limerick Dublin or the other intercity routes. These are served by private companies.
    Bus Eireanns remit is to service the routes that don’t and never could make money or be self sufficient. As I remember Bus Eireann pulled out of a lot of the intercity routes to protect its core function - which is service the routes no one else wants to.

    BTW I’ve zero knowledge as to whether they are any way competent in meeting this remit!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I thought Bus Eireann had to tender for routes in the same way other companies could. It was breaking some competition law by only having BE routes. Thats when you seen all the private companies enter. The NTA or TII set the routes and companies could tender. Certain ones were deemed publicly important but would be loss making so the state stumped up the cost differences on those. I don't think bus companies decide routes and that's down to NTA/TII



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    The worst politician in International history, Eamon Ryan, is getting slaughtered in his absence on The Frontline with Miriam O Hannonhon (or whatever the hell it is called) in relation to the ridiculous cap which is asking each airline to cut their seats by 5%. One representative (Emerald Airlines) mentioning that he has never in the history of the state seen a minister for transport more absent and disinterested in aviation.

    If the Green party get a single seat in the next election - the catchment area that voted them in should be annexed from the rest of the country, have their citizenship stripped and have every square metre of the locality rewetted to an inch higher than the average human height.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    It is called Upfront, and that guy was a MoL wannabe.

    Advocating that Eamon Ryan break the law, because it hurts his profits.

    And anyway, the cap was put in place long before the Greens were put into power.

    DAA dropped the ball and created a scape goat in the Greens and Eamon Ryan, and the plebs drank the Kool-aid hook line and sinker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    … and every tree cut down as discussed only few posts before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Ah yes a few airlines CEOs crying their profits might be down so let’s put more planes in the sky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,799 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Speaking for myself, the Limerick City service is always late, the real time signs might as well be choosing the lotto numbers they can be so random and some busses just don't show up at all. Some areas of the city aren't served after 7pm and most recently on halloween and New Years they stopped running all services at about 7pm.

    But aside from all that they're fine. Busses are clean, drivers are courteous etc etc

    The problem with privatising intercity routes is that the service level drops like a stone. If a particular Expressway bus (Bus Eireann's intercity service) is full or broken down there's always another one laid on a few minutes later. Dublin Coach simply don't have the resources to do this. This inevitably leads to people relying more on their cars which, last I checked, is contrary to the green agenda



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,143 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    The cap was put in place in 2007 due to the lack of road connectivity at the time. Nothing to do with air pollution really. Since then we’ve had the M50 upgrade so roads are no longer an issue. However, people are taking flights nowadays like they’re buses into town. Instead of blaming the Greens, more pressure should be put on the plane manufacturers to make their planes more eco-friendly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,799 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    During Eamon Ryan's term as minister for the Environment, Climate, Communications and Transport

    • Public Transport has gotten worse
    • Heat Pump installations have stalled
    • Oil and gas have become cheaper (probably related to the point above)
    • The prices of petrol and diesel have dropped, while the price of electricity has increased
    • EV sales have fallen off a cliff (probably related to the point above)
    • Solar Panel sales are down
    • Green consumer grants are being done away with

    Not exactly the hallmarks of a good green minister. I would nearly argue that supporters of a greener environmental future should not vote for the green party. Which is a very strange feeling to acknowledge

    For what it's worth there will be a cohort of green supporters who feel that we should completely stop flying and learn to swim for our annual holidays to Spain and would support the destruction of Dublin Airport, Ryanair, etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,579 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    From the IDA stating they are finding it difficult to attract firms to set up here due to the uncertainty over our electricity supply it will not be just data centres. Not that such firms will have a problem finding other countries more than willing to accomodate them. That will have a bearing on our future tax revenue so we would need to wise up and be very careful on getting ourselves into hock with a plan that will not supply us with what we will require or provide us with competative charges.

    If I thought the greens had any foresight I would be tempted to believe that this present plan is nothing other than them attempting to get us so much in debt to their wishes that in a few years we could not even afford to look at alternatives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    In last month there was news of Microsoft and now Google committing to long term contracts with nuclear power providers and operators in US (whose stock has gone thru roof) for their datacenter needs for cloud and AI

    Ireland will be left behind yet again

    We used to be shackled by the Catholic Church now we are shackled and dragged backwards as a country (from investments that bring jobs and taxes while using green energy) by the Green Luddites



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    And the worst thing is it's for commentary like this is what they live for. They love to see the carnage. It was never about environmentalism, it was about power and attention (much like the Catholic church was to christianity)

    When was the last time Roderic O'Gorman actually gave two sh!ts about the environment? That man has other things on his mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    One only has to read last couple of page to see Greens supporting chopping down forests

    Because chopping down rainforest, shredding them, shipping to Ireland and then trucking across country to generate “green” electricity by burning was not daft enough



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Amazon joins Microsoft and Google and will go nuclear

    Ireland is being left behind in the cloud / AI tech boom because of our backwards Green policies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭ginger22


    https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/1bn-esb-offshore-wind-project-being-paused-due-to-uncertainty-over-government-policy/a1392862440.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I'd imagine post-election, without the greens, we'll see a flurry of activity in areas like electricity grid and the airport.

    Ryan is in a state of non-cooperation, knowing that there are only a few days left so can only hope to stymie the system until that moment.

    They have dropped the ball in so many areas, getting MN out the door and into construction phase could have been done with the right political will, as could getting the grid into shape to support more renewables and prioritising EV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    So they think €1bn for 500MW, with no talk of hydrogen included. The governments plan is 37GW of power and using those figures would cost roughly €74 billion to build. Then add on all the ancillary stuff for hydrogen. Suddenly, the €100bn estimate is looking low despite what many on here proclaimed when a lot of this was announced before (announced minus the costs of course 😁)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭ginger22


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    O'Gorman thinks 12 Green TDs and more will be returned after the election. No, really.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/green-party-wants-general-election-on-november-29-says-roderic-ogorman/a1848391959.html

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭ultraviolence


    green delusion.. reminds me of eamon saying its possible that the greens will win a seat on every council😂 and in reality they lost 26seats.

    With how their party have been polling these past few years, im quite surprised he actually thinks the existing 12 will return let alone gaining new td's! lol. this election is going to be interesting. Not sure how do you gain new td's when your local election results dropped across several councils but okay… lets wait and see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Not really. Those things are all about baseload. There is no point setting up more data centers here, when you are going to be told by Eirgrid to fall back on your diesel/gas generators because unreliable generation (wind & solar) has failed yet again. Data centers do not generate much on site employment maintaining them once they are built, it is better place the data center in Finland. The people who create and use the services hosted on those system can be based here, the hosted servers can be remotely administered from anywhere in the world.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,459 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    That's 1bn for near shore, shallow water plant and not including the grid infrastructure. It'll be a hell of a lot more than 100bn when you include all the deep water and floating stuff. It'll be another 1bn for the HVDC connection back onshore per 500MW once you get beyond 40km.

    Then add in maintenance, insurance of the grid infrastructure and 37GW of curtailment for the electricity no-one wants to be paid out on top.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Definitely not returning more than they have. They may be feeling more confident of holding seats due to Sinn Feins crisis. The people and constituencies most negatively impacted by Green policies don't vote them in, the people in the constituencies that do return them will mostly vote for them again. They are pulling from the same left-wing voter pool as other champagne socialists and those parties have not moved much in the polls either.

    Bear in mind removing the Greens is not the end of green policies, these are driven by the EU which previous governments led by FF (Kyoto) and Fine Gael (Paris agreement) signed the Irish state on for and without any say from the electorate. Current EU (driven by Germany) is eliminating post World war II cheap food policies and actively pursuing "de-growth" or de-industrialisation, while pursuing a war with their primary energy supplier and subsidizing unreliable electricity generation which greatly benefits Chinese companies and their government and United States companies and government. The US produces a surplus of primary energy, EU countries do not.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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