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Brics - Economic co-operation group

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Iran 1950's , France's desire to hang on to Vietnam, Suez and all the rest?. Being slightly sarcastic here but the standard Western playbook since WW2 ie US driven was - focus on a country with resources it needs, pick a side, election interference/coup, install a corruptible patsy, load up the country with $ debt in the guise of development aid, build some military bases and force open their markets to US goods. Not much different to the british empire etc. just with the pretense of independence, clever really! in "the house always wins" sort of way. The only price seems to be some predictable blowback down the road, Iran again , ISIS etc. little snafus….

    I must learn how to use AI and ask it questions like - how does the collective Indian media opinion for example contrast with the distilled opinion of CNN BBC etc. opinions when it come to geopolitical issues? Im guessing they wont perfectly align.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    you do know when “this century” has started and that we are a quarter of a way into it right?

    Putin is set to visit Brazil soon, let’s see if the BRICS will show how anti colonial they are by arresting him as he is wanted by ICC for wholesale kidnapping of kids from occupied territories



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    You cant draw a line at dec99 , in historical terms the same hegemon/order had broadly continued since WW2 but if you want to go there Afghanistan Iraq Libya etc. all fits the general pattern except with the add story that somehow the West is bringing liberal democracy with it whether they want it or not.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Where are western colonies in those three countries?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    It actually suits China to continue using USD. There's only a few countries that China has a trade deficit with like Chile and Argentina, so it makes sense to use surplus USD to settle those accounts.

    It has established currency swaps with Australia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and now France. Other EU states will no doubt avail of the option, especially if Trump gets back in.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    You keep going on with “whataboutism colonial US” but are unable to point to single US colony in the countries you mentioned

    Meanwhile BRICS member Russia has occupied, genocided, ethnically cleansed and now colonised today in the 21st century with planters vast swathes of Ukraine from Crimea up to Luhansk (which in a fine colonial fashion they are calling “New Russia”) and are extracting and selling the stolen resources when they are not busy raping and human trafficking kids

    All while we get lectures about “western colonialism” from their representatives who for some reason don’t do us all a favour and move to the BRICS utopia themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    I think in the US's case "interest" is a more apt term than colony.

    They don't need to plant a colony if they can just prop up a regime to extract what they want.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    We are now trying to redefine “colonialism” ? All to excuse modern day Russian colonialism??

    Weak



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    What Russia and especially the Zionists are doing is definitely colonialism, replacing populations.

    The USA on the other hand controls other nations through other means, indirectly, via puppet rulers, or monarchies like Saudi Arabia which is a social arrangement completely at odds with the US's own social domestic culture.

    It is odd that the US Coast Guard patrols Saudi waters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Colony is old world stuff, why dont you ask question related to the age we live in? Its no secret how the US runs its empire

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Real colonialism good

    Imaginary colonialism bad

    Gotcha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭yagan




  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Those trying to excuse the colonial war of imperial expansion happening today in 2024 by bringing up whataboutisms about imaginary US colonies in three countries mentioned few posts up

    Read back over thread, BRICS tries to market itself as anti colonial anti western while one of its members is literally the last European empire waging a colonial war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    Theres no harm in proposing alternatives to the extraterritoriality of the USD.

    Australia and China have had a currency swap that bypasses SWIFT for years and you never hear western hysteria about that.

    Portugal and Greece and a few other EU members have signed up to the belt and road initiative yet no one is accusing them of pushing an anti west narrative, especially as both are also NATO members.

    Even the EU progressed with an alternative to SWIFT because of Trump's protectionist policies. If he wins then the EU protecting its economy from US isolationism is back on the table.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    What’s does the dollar have to do with the R in BRICS busily carrying out a colonial war while the rest of the group harps on about anti colonialism (but are fine with their own being colonisers)

    Nothing stopping BRICS members using each others currencies (or mandarins), except they don’t trust each other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    They can use the USD and sidestep SWIFT as is.

    Are the dispossessed Palestinians fighting back an act of colonialism, is the NIP and act of EU colonialism, etc..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Anyone else getting a bit of a crypto vibe of BRICS/BRIS?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    An organization with countries who largely hate each other, have widely different political and economic systems and are geographically far apart. Ye I'm sure it will be a roaring success.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,255 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "America bad. Dollar bad. Anything opposed to that I support"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    Currency swaps like what Saudi Arabia and Australia have with China are arrangements between central banks, and not via intermediaries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Hodger


    This is a news report from earlier this year.

    Surge in migrants from china to cross border into United states.

    The first guy who was asked why he left china ?

    He answers freedom.

    Now china even with a growing economy and all that there is still some of its people who willing to travel to the other side of the world in search of a what they think is the better life.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft



    10% Cuban population left in last year alone

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/cuba/article290249799.html

    That’s BRICS for you

    Notice how the biggest proponents of this pro imperialism shitshow also argued in other threads against EU, euro and were pro Brexit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I think you are missing the point, I'd agree most Brics countries are "sh1thole" countries by my standards ie I wouldnt relocate to any of them but it still doesnt mean that the global economy isnt changing , the growth area will become the Brics while the static to decline will be the G7 ones.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    So far the only thing that is increasing is the number of people trying to escape these BRICS to the west, their interest rates and inflation

    And in case of China their debt which is insane over the worlds largest property bubble

    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/china-is-turning-japanese-asia-economy-downturn-history-1990s-real-estate-stimulus-2054e267

    “Is China Japan 2.0? Let’s do the math. The average apartment in China is valued at $200,000—970 square feet at $205 a square foot. The 90 million empty apartments might be worth $18 trillion. Construction and purchase loans on these empty apartments are surely in multiple trillions of dollars and underwater. But China’s official nonperforming-loan ratio is reported as a meager 1.6%. That’s hard to believe. Chinese economic statistics are notoriously fuzzy, but it’s hard to hide 90 million empty apartments for long.”

    -


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    damned boards won’t let me edit

    The above article mentions 90 million empty apartments in a country that is about to lose 300 million people of its population in next decade and has next to zero inward migration because their xenophobia makes Japanese look good

    The only things BRICS are heading for are more misery, poverty, wars and slavery

    Especially as they seem so determined to alienate the west whom is their main export destination

    But if you disagree with me @silverharp but don’t want to relocate to these fine greener pastures, you can also transfer you pension into funds that track these BRICS economies, tell us how you get on (anyone who made same bet up to now would have been wiped out)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    For example if an African country wants to build a railway they dont need to go London or NY to arrange bankers yada yada, they can look East for the tech and finance. Russia and Iran are massive energy suppliers, China is prime manufacturer to the globe , ironically if the US wanted to have an open ended war with China the US would need to buy the parts from China ;-)

    If you were to straight-line the US and Europe bankruptcy would be the end game. The Black Swans are AI/Robotics , and who wins the Electricity race to power these is pivotal. The West needs to win the next tech leap.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Ah yes the now infamous debt traps that result in poor countries becoming resource colonies for China and having to give away vast swathes of their infrastructure

    Just ask Sri Lanka

    Or Russian mercenaries seizing mines right across Africa by force and killing locals (and or forcing them into slavery)

    https://www.state.gov/the-wagner-groups-atrocities-in-africa-lies-and-truth/

    Happy days ! Meet your new colonial BRICS overlords Africa



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Havnt some of the African countries just kicked the French out for exploiting Uranium production, they get to choose right? Obviously western colonialism left a bad taste in the mouth? historically didnt colonised countries try to escape the old master is some shape or form? for instance Iran courting Germany in the 1930's or indeed Ireland turning to German project managers to build hydro stuff in the same period.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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