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VW ID.3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭fafy


    and 1st dealer advertising GTX Performance Plus, just a little above the list price including Kings Red paint option:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-id-3-gtx-performance-plus-79kw-326bhp/38080140



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,417 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well I guess we know how much the Paddy tax it, same car in Germany costs just under €30k because VW will give a discount of around €3750 or something to German buyers

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭Luna84


    Your post made me go look at the VW.de site and how the hell is the GTX Performance still cheaper in Ireland. I still do not understand it even as you call it the PADDY TAX doesn't seem to be there on this model.

    edit: Unless the spec is different on the Irish model. Didn't look into it enough to find out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,417 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I don't get it either, even when you subtract the VW discount it's still more expensive than here

    As far as I can tell the spec of the Irish one is actually better since it includes the assistance pack as standard (and also floor mats, I'm still shocked they're an extra)

    Regarding the Pure, I did a quick comparison and didn't spot any major differences. It is pretty bare bones as far as trim goes, but I guess that's what you'd expect for the price

    It's worth noting that a lot of the add on packs aren't available for the Pure, like the matrix headlights or interior package. It makes sense I guess, although personally I'd say the extra €1300 for the Pure Plus is worthwhile to get the heated seats and steering wheel

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I was getting the electrical drive error but suddenly during the week it disappeared and hasnt some back since but if it does reappear it it something that would fail an NCT which I think we are due to do by the end of next year

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    Just had a first chat with my dealer.

    Offering €2k below the GMFV, which just means I’ll get the GMFV.

    This is on an immaculate car with only 36,000kms on the clock.

    Very disappointing. Are any of you on PCPS getting offers above the GMFV?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,417 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'd personally be very tempted to put it up on done deal at a couple of thousand over the GMFV

    Best case scenario, you come away with an extra few thousand and someone gets a good deal. Worst case, you can accept a bid of GMFV and someone still gets a good deal by cutting out the dealership

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,186 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Is the GTX, with the 77kWh battery, definitely a 5 seater?

    The 77kWh variant of the ID.3 1st was a 4 seater only so just want to be sure it has been upgraded to a 5 seater before wasting time looking at it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,771 ✭✭✭✭fits


    no. We gave back car under half rule as no mileage penalty. Car cost us 6 k a year in depreciation but saved us over 3 k a year in fuel. Not too bad in the end.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    Yes the 77kw is a 5 seater. They upgraded the rear axle and its now a five seater. It's explained in a video on you tube.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Bif


    Hi Liam. If you could, can you send on the details also? Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭fafy


    correct, and the GTX 79kWh, can also for the first time for the larger battery variant, take the rear bicycle towbar accessory.

    Btw, some of the older Pro S models (77wWh)are 5 seaters, allthough, bizarely, most are 4 seaters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭vicM


    They released a Tour with 5 seats later on as they didnt sell as many as they had hoped for and the 4 seats was found to be one of the reasons. The 5 seater lacked some spec though like the Glass roof



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭jogdish


    Back from a lovely trip to the dealer, was offered (ie in my budget) a pro plus ID4 or GTX ID3 ( I have gotten the suffixes wrong but hopefully you know what i mean). Wanted to ask here for some background knowledge if any exists.

    1. The GTX ID3, it has so many extras i have little interest in and basically spoil me for life.
    2. Will I look like a complete Boy racer with the fancy seats ect ? for reference I do 110 on the motorway and rarely overtake. Wtf will i do with 300+ bhp.
    3. The ID4 has a lovely boot, and I like it but heavier, slightly less range and lower efficieny, and 5k ontop of the ID3 GTX.
    4. Is there any word of a new version ID3 coming in 2025 ? or are ID4/3 as is for 2025?

    Caught , sigh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I drove the ID4, not a fan of the SUV, prefer the lower centre of gravity of a hatch.

    What I would do is get the cheapest id3 you can find preferably with the smaller 58 Kwh, forget the GTX not worth the money, I spent a lot on the tour 5 with largest battery and come trade in it wasn't worth anything more than the most basic of basic id3 so don't waste your money, in fact, resale value is so bad I just gave it back to VW finance because I couldn't find a single dealer who would take it as trade in so the half rule saved the day.

    The extra cost of the id4 isn't worth it either and they are even worse to drive due to the sheer weight.

    Forget all the extras and gadgets, it's a car at the end of the day, Save your money , the Government get a huge cut after all !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭Luna84


    I could be wrong so correct me but the GTX is basically the GTi of the ID.3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    I ordered a GTX no interest in all the extras on the performance and definitely no need for the 300+hp. Currently have a id3 1st. Wife has an id4 which is nice but the id3 is a lot nicer and sporty drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The id3 isn't a sporty drive at all, it's too bloody heavy either 58 Kwh or 82 and the suspension is too firm just because of the weight.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 403 ✭✭Liam2021


    I disagree totally. But everyone is entitled to their opinion. Going in to my 4th ID and never had any issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I wasn't talking issues but the id cars and most EV are far too heavy to be in any way shape or form sporty, even my now Kia Cee'd handles much better with far better suspension than any of the id cars.

    The exception to that being the BMW i3 with it's carbon fibre chassis, the short wheel base though made it a bit bouncy but it was still a lot of fun. I never drove the Sport version with the 44 Kwh, shame.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Soarer


    So an older 1.3 (maybe) front wheel drive Korean Hatchback has better handling and suspension than a new 320+ bhp, rwd ID.3 with Adaptive Chassis Control?!

    Reckon you’re on your own on that one.

    That being said, you’re entitled to your opinion, and we’re all used to reading it. Please don’t go clogging up this thread for people that are interested in the ID.3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    The weight makes a huge difference, + the lower centre of gravity vs taller EV hatch, the Kia suspension doesn't have to be so firm either to give it much better handling, it's a matter of physics not badge. don't knock the kia because it's not German. A 1 Series BMW drives a lot better too. Power is one thing, handling is another.

    On the Motorway the id3 is a fine cruiser though.

    And it's a 1.0L 3 cyl turbo ! 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    The Pro S cars without the boy racer seats are, bizarrely, much pricier than the higher spec GTX models.

    It’s like they’re targeting the older demographic by making them pay over the odds to get rid of those seats!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭jogdish


    and just after seeing that GTX excludes the green paint option, mind boggles.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,417 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    If you need the boot space then you should get the ID.4

    Otherwise the ID.3 is probably the nicer car to drive

    Personally I'd go for the 58kWh Pro Plus, has most of the extras you'd want as standard

    If you need the extra range then the GTX Pro Performance is the next step up

    Go for the blue and call it Sonic 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,417 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I agree regarding the weight but I feel the ID cars hide it well

    Gonna have to disagree on the petrol vs EV handling, my old Leaf definitely handles better than my even older Toyota

    Also, while power isn't everything, I'd like some more acceleration than a single asthmatic horse 😉

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Cars are way too powerful today and with the slightest tip of the throttle it wants to rocket off, EV especially, not a good thing people who ride recklessly daily on back roads where people are walking, kids etc. In fairness the 120 HP of the little 3cyl Kia is more than enough for my needs. I got the bike now anyway if I want a fun experience, not really that bothered with cars nor will I be spending the money again. I go on the bike now mostly when I don't need the car, how long that lasts in the Winter I don't know yet, I was out today in the Cold, didn't bother me. But I am very happy with the Kia. Cost me 20k but in reality when I see the car I got for the Sister for 10K that would have done me fine too.

    The Kia definitely handles better than both versions of the id3 58 and 82 Kwh I drove it wants to go around the bends, it's lower down too which helps and it definitely soaks up the bumps better, yeah, one of the first things I notices was the weight.

    The id3 isn't a bad car to drive by any means it's fine for what it is and it's a good Motorway mile cruncher.

    The Kia feels way better on the road too than the EV6 which felt completely numb on the road, the steering had no feel at all, the steering in the id3 and suspension was better.

    The little BMW i3 was a lot of fun though, pity I never drove the sport version. Shame BMW never made a PHEV with as much EV range again !

    I drove the 1 and 3 series BMWs when the i3 was in Joe Duffy's and they were even better again that all the above even in bog basic spec.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    Ordered a GTX Performance Plus. Went into the process looking for something that had more or less the same equipment as my 2022 "Business" model but with a larger battery. So that would mean: IQ.Light matrix headlights (which I love) and the Comfort Package.

    The obvious choice would then be either the Pro S with 2 option packages at €42,490 + €1,870 (Comfort package) + €2,075 (IQ Light exterior package) = €46,435 or the Pro S Plus which has both packages included at €44,915. But when you compare either of those options to the GTX models, you get a lot more with the latter and they are less expensive. Indeed, the GTX Performance Plus has IQ.Light and the Comfort Package as standard plus even bigger battery, more efficient motor, Harmon-Kardon Sound, HUD display, ergonomic (boy racer) seats. I ended up ordering it with the "IQ Drive" package (Travel Assist, area view, side assist, park assist pro) for under €44K.

    Same car in the UK sells for over £49K (close to €60k).

    I cannot understand VW’s pricing on these cars though I’m very happy to benefit from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Soarer


    How did you add the IQ Drive pack? It's not available in the online configurator.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,186 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    I just dont understand the pricing either. It does look like someone has messed it up in Ireland. ID.3's with less kit cost more! The same car in the UK and France etc costs thousands more.

    The GTX performance is marginally faster than a Golf GTI but for €20k less and the ID.3 GTX performance is loaded with extras. 🤷‍♂️

    Something is up with the pricing unless all the other models are due a price cut… which is a small possibility considering that VW are struggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    every EV sold allows VAG to sell 6 or 7 ICE cars in 2025



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭Sam the Sham


    The online configurator doesn’t show the option packs. The brochure/pricelist does. IQ drive is a €1,620 option on the GTX Performance Plus but be aware that it will cost you more than that because VRT relief is reduced for every euro over 40k. I still felt it was worth it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭electricus


    I was working through the many options too, they really don’t make it easy!

    It looks like the GTX Performance Plus is around the same price as the ID.4 Pro Plus, depending on options. The ID.4 spec is similar and it has the new battery and motor too. A bit slower but also more space so more decisions!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,486 ✭✭✭jogdish


    Echo all the above, Would love to get the GTX for the great price and perks….but cannot bear that interior/seats and sure it will be fine it comes in lovely green oh no fooled you that is not for the GTX. Looking at id4 now. As mentioned above the fancy headlights and rear camera are kinda a must have imo. Would love to try travel assist but thats another grand ugh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭fafy


    Id4 Pro Plus is €45,400

    https://www.volkswagen.ie/idhub/content/dam/onehub_pkw/importers/ie/models/product-guides/my25/ID4_MY25.pdf

    Id3 GTX Performance Plus is €40,420

    https://www.volkswagen.ie/idhub/content/dam/onehub_pkw/importers/ie/models/product-guides/my25/ID3_MY25.pdf

    So a 5k difference, before any options added



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭electricus


    ah ok, I misread something along the way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Travel assist is pretty decent but really it does bug you far too much and I know that's not down to VW but unless doing a lot of long motorway trips it's something you won't use a lot, Travel assist needs good road markings and very wet roads and road glare effect it and can knock it off altogether. So with these systems you really do have to be alert all the time, the same goes for adaptive cruise, it will not prevent a crash despite what people think, I had several near misses using this system which would have meant a rear end collision if I had not intervened.

    However, travel assist is good enough that you wouldn't have to take over the steering unless road markings were not clearly visible or you come in to construction areas but being the way things are now with phones and in car tech to distract people you can see why there is a limitation on the tech.

    The id3 interior is pretty rubbish and plastics you'd expect to see in the Caddy van and the doors rattle like crazy when the volume is cranked up.

    I didn't have rear door speakers either so not sure what trims have them these days but that was really disgraceful that VW didn't install them in the tour 5, pure penny pinching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,771 ✭✭✭✭fits


    The travel assist in the ID.3 is a lot better than in the model y. I only used it on the motorway. It worked well in France too. But if you are mostly driving in the city or rural roads it may not be useful to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I'd caution against spending a lot more money on higher spec cars because come trade in you won't get value.

    All I want in a car is Reverse parking sensors and heated mirrors. AC and electric windows. Anything else I don't need.

    Spending more on the larger battery come trade in won't be worth more either so that's something to seriously consider. If I were to do it again having the Diesel at home I'd get the cheapest EV I could get with 40-50 Kwh battery max.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    I've ordered an ID.3 for delivery in early 2025. A Colleague has also just ordered an ID.3 GTX.

    At the end of the day the VAG product offering is compelling enough for people to put their orders down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    What is the price of the car ? what battery Kwh ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    Thats a great price for that. I presume that is net of grant, so add 3.5k on.

    I was thinking of replacing the ID4 with a Kia, but this looks more fun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭DrPsychia


    agree wholeheartedly. Autopilot in my Model Y is utter crap. Unreliable and feels very much like 'beta' or even 'canary' software implementation.

    I owned a 2012 Honda Accord with adaptive cruise. The adaptive cruise control and Lane keep in my old accord was more reliable and consistent than 2024 Tesla Autopilot IMO. My old accord had functional auto wipers, Teslas are non existent. Apart from those issues I love the Model Y, but autopilot is very frustrating and temperamental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    retail €37485 for 52kWh Goal edition with double floor and glass roof with 21.5% discount as the basis for calculating the actual cost to me. VAT is at 19% here. Goal edition is well equipped.

    Monthly payments will be tiny for me due to heavy subsidization of EV cars in my Company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Why add on €3.5k when you won't be paying it? I agree, a great price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    company car, so I/they will be paying it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,417 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'm guessing you're in Germany? The GOAL spec isn't available in Ireland AFAIK

    One thing that's frustrating about the Pure is there's certain things you can't pick here, the matrix headlights being one of them

    I guess folks going for the Pure spec are mostly going to be aiming as cheap as possible

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭fafy


    VW Ireland have “commercial” pricing on their website ID3 GTX Performance Plus is listed as €43,920 so, this price excludes 3.5k SEAI grant



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,417 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Delete, duplicate post

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