Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

just a reminder while Twitter makes up lies about Walz out of whole cloth, Trump has already been credibly alleged to have raped a 13 year old

https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Lawsuit.pdf

It’s clear the accusations are a confession. The right wing is trying to water down the problem for their rapey candidate by throwing mirroring accusations at Walz hoping it will stick with even a handful of voters.

In much the same way that every vegetarian is like hitler?

A politician looking after the country they are leading as it's priority isn't a KKK slogan. It should be a given.

To label Donald Trump as someone who inspired by the KKK is absolutely disgusting.

We can go back and see which sitting president who eulogised a former KKK Grand Wizard Robert Byrd….. but that would also be dishonest and a mischaracterisation.

edit … probably my favourite edit……. Robert Byrd was not a Grand Wizard in the Ku Klux Klan, he was merely an "exalted cyclops".

Yes overheal.

Hate speech is too vague, too nebulous and too ridiculous. If you feel offended or hated against by someones speech, you will rightfully be able to class it as hate speech.

Who governs what hate means? In much the same way can you tell me what love means? It is an emotion. Some people are more emotional to others. Where is the bar?

Credibly alleged?

Jesus christ on a bike.

“The allegations are not only categorically false, but disgusting at the highest level and clearly framed to solicit media attention or, perhaps, are simply politically motivated. There is absolutely no merit to these allegations. Period.”

Do you find the denial as credible? It's in the document you linked.

Someone said something happened, someone vehemently denies it.

You hadn't edited your post by the time I posted so hardly a gotcha. Now, Laura Loomer believes and propagates the great replacement conspiracy theory, describes herself as "pro white nationalism" and is friends with Donald Trump. He also went to dinner with Nick Fuentes, a white nationalist and noted antisemite. Fuentes also attended the Charlottesville rally. He basically actively associates on a day to day basis with white supremacists.

For a person who said they take racism seriously, you don't seem to mind Trumps pretty open relationship with white supremacists. Based on all of that, it's fair to wonder if the choice of America First was very much so intentional.

Now you'll likely get annoyed at me again. 😂

I of course have an issue with anyone who has an alliance with people based on race. No race is better or worse than another. People are individuals and it's our attitudes that seperate us, not our skin colour.

I dislike Nick Fuentes, I really do.

Trump also went to dinner with Mohammad Ali.

I also have been in the company of some criminals based in Ballymun. Does that make me a criminal?

I have spent time with other people who were affected by racism, and have done everything I can to help people in my community who are affected by racism.

I take racism very seriously. And I hate when people negate it by calling things that are not racist, racist. It's demeaning. It dilutes the actual problem.

So no, to your point… An American presidential candidate saying that they are America First, is not racial. Framing it as such would be like me highlighting Biden eulogising the cyclops, saying the "you aint black" remark or the other regrettable remarks he said when he was younger as proof of him being a racist.

It would be dishonest and silly.

There is no legitimate reason for Trump to be associating with Neo Nazis and white supremacists. In the Loomer case he appears to be incredibly close friends with her. Byrd was reformed and incredibly well respected across the board. Both Fuentes and Loomer are not. So ya, you are absolutely defending his constant racism and his relationship with well known white supremacists who benefit from being friends with a former president.

And you can come out with unconfirmed anecdotes of your anti racism work but it's not verifiable and you seem to be leaping to the defence of a racist at every turn. You're not capable of coming up with a genuine justification for all the shady characters that he seems to view as fine people.

I've not defended racism.

Not once.

and I wont.

I haven't given any defence of Donald Trump.

But I do love that you are saying that a former Cyclops in the KKK was reformed and well respected.

Good lad, bit of a murky past but when he stopped wanting to lynch the blacks, he said sorry and was awful polite.

You can be awful forgiving when it suits you.

The NAACP viewed him as such so I'm inclined to trust the views of such groups over your own..

You're conveniently ignoring the friendship with Loomer and dinner with Fuentes. You seem to think it's normal and are actively downplaying it. That's very different to a man who was in the KKK in the forties and had changed as an individual over the decades since.

Can you provide me with a reason why Trump needs to associate with either Fuentes or Loomer? This in conjunction with all the racist statements he's made over the years indicates he is very much so a racist. You just seem to think there's some normal reason for them to hang out and there really isn't.

Nope.

Nick Fuentes is a tit and I wouldn't associate myself with Loomer. Dining with them is a poor choice and rather odd. I am not privvy to the reasoning but can admit it is certainly not a good optic.

Eulogising a man who ranked as a cyclops in the KKK but "got good" in later life is also odd.

Both Biden and Trump have said things that could be considered quite racist.

I have no ability to speak upon Donald Trumps reasoning for any association with Laura Loomer.

Why do you think I would have?

I don't believe Donald Trump is a racist. That's my belief. I do think he says things that can be interpretated as racist and think he is a fool with some of his rhetoric which lends credence to the accusation. He's a bumbling idiot at times and is his own worst enemy.

I wouldn't vote for him.

Again, you are doing what you have done before. If I don't hate the person you hate enough, then I am supporting him.

This is, and will always be, my point.

It's very possible to rule on hate speech now that the laws were made more robust last year:

Law Society of Ireland Gazette

you dont believe "They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats, they're eating the pets" was racist when he was talking about legal Haitian immigrants?

Wishing death upon someone or lamenting the fact that someone missed a gunshot by a fraction of a millimetre is not regarded as hate speech? But insulting someone is?

Insults are ambiguous and can not be defined as a matter of fact. What one person finds insulting will not be offensive or insulting to another.

The link you provided just furthers my point that hate speech is nonsense.

"A hate crime is any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim, or any other person, to have been motivated by prejudice based on a person’s age, disability race, colour, nationality, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or gender. Ireland does not currently have specific laws that deal with hate crimes"

So if you percieve that someone has offended you, it becomes a crime.

Perception is reality. Glad to see that this isn't going to open to gross misinterpretation.

If you wished death upon someone because of their political belief and stated it to them, you feel that it would be worse to misgender someone or call someone a jew bastard?

Yeah I don't understand that at all.