Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

There are threads about Irish politic. You won't find discussion of Irish politics in this thread because…look at the title.

If you think Trump getting in will not have implications for Ireland and the world, then you are very naive.

Thanks.

But my comment was not on the discussion of Irish Politics, but the lack of passion surrounding it.

It´s almost as if people are conditioned to be venomously aggressive when it comes to american politics and passive agressive when it comes to things that directly affect them.

And no, I am not naive. Trump being in power had a negligable effect on my life in Ireland. Biden the same. Either candidate getting in won´t have a measuarable effect in my day to day life.

But if I was to believe the news, its the MoSt ImPorTant ElEctIon!!!!!

Nope.

Can you point to an impact of Biden's policies that directly affected you?

Me or Ireland?

I have some that affected me directly, but it would be anecdotal.

Even if you seem happy to give him a free pass on the racism he is pushing into politics, which makes its way here through media and social media…

His corporation tax and economic tariff plans directly threaten the Irish economy and global trade.

First off, before you posted here, were you aware of them? Tell us what you know about them, and why don't you think Irish people should be concerned about them.

That was the thrust of your earlier argument.

No my friend.

I said that Irish people should be MORE concerned about their own politics rather than America.

You then claimed that Donald Trumps tariff and economic plans are a threat to our economy.

I asked you to be specific.

You can either do so or I will ignore you.

You are free to do the same.

You use the word ignorant an awful lot and are very dismissive and aggressive towards anyone who doesn´t agree with you.

Perhaps you are more like Trump than you would like to admit.

And no, when trump was president, it didnt affect me on a day to day basis. I didnt see any benefit when Biden took charge? can you enlighten my ignorant soul as to how my life was better under the current american administration?

I agree that Trump may not have the EU first and (maybe mistakenly) think he has the America first agenda.

Im of the opinion that a country should have a leader that puts his own citizens first.

I think you are wrong.

I think you are using him as the boogyman and thats fine.

I think Trump or someone like him was a necessary idiot and an idiot indeed.

Trump zealots are idoiots.

People who rally around Kamala Harris as some saviour after defending Biden when it was obvious he was incapable are equally idiotic.

But, just to keep on brand, tell me how this is me supporting Trump.

I used the word ignorant because it is clear you were ignorant of Trump's economic plans and their negative impact on Ireland.
I assert this because you were asked simple basic questions about Trump's economic plans and were unable to respond or engage in any way. What word should I have used?
That is why your claims have been dismissed, they were without substance and came from an obvious position of ignorance of Trump's conduct and plans.

As for "more like Trump", it is you who uses such words not me, and therefore reflects more on you than me.

So can we assume now you accept your earlier claim was without foundation, and that it is reasonable for Irish people to be concerned and to think Trump's election could have measurable negative impact here?
You don't seem to contest the point.

And you have now gish galloped from one claim without foundation to another…

Trump doesn't put his own citizens first. He threatened to with hold aid to disaster aid to areas because he said they only contained Democratic voters and needed to be shown registration rolls containing Republicans before releasing funds.
Trump does not put Americans or America first. The only thing that comes first is Trump himself.

Trump's first term is not a reliable indicator to a potential second term. 40 out of 44 of his cabinet secretaries, his VP… all of them have refused to endorse Trump for his second term. This is unprecedented. General Mark Milley, who acted as Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff under Trump has called his "fascist to the core". These were the people who tried to keep Trump in check in his first term. We can see from the type of language and conduct of Trump in this campaign, false race baiting whipping up hate about immigrants, drivel about pets being eaten, continuing to defame the victim of his sexual assault, trying to claim Presidential immunity for sexual assault and other felonies etc
The gloves are off as far as Trump is concerned.

Good point, I hadn't thought of it like that and your analysis of the situation has given me pause to rethink.

I use the words passive agressive. Because it´s clear you are.

You dismiss my claim, that doesn´t mean it has been dismissed.

I know you would like to claim and act that you are the arbiter of a discussion but you are not. If you don´t like to believe that there was no/neglible difference between Biden and Trumps presidency, then thats fine. Disregard my comment and move along.

But dont come along and tell me that my experience is without foundation or use bullshit terms like "gish galloped".

Also the word fascist is redundant now. Like the word literally, you can literally make it fit for any person.

Trump is highly flawed. Not someone I would ever vote for. My only take was that Irish people seem to involved in this presidential campaign and ignoring issues closer to home.

Feel free to answer my first question to you first

No, the first one regarding migrants

I do notice that you haven't been posting in the Ireland threads at all, focusing on gender issues instead. Sinn Féin are in the process of immolating themselves at the moment which is generating plenty of discussion.

On the subject of trump, he managed to f* up the economy, debt, COVID, the border wall and withdrawal from Afghanistan to name but 5 items and that was with a team that were trying to keep the ship steady which won't be in place this time (loomer, his latest hanger-on, is a full on conspiracy nut).

From an Ireland perspective, he will likely cause turmoil in Europe leading to an even greater refugee crisis while rolling over and exposing his belly to putin.

You could try contributing your ideas to the thread instead of accusing others of all sorts and relying on other people to generate your discussion points.