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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He's claiming the guns were for self defence apparently.

    But him having 4 different sets of fake ID on him along with fake license plates on the car (A sovereign citizen special apparently) don't make for a good story for him overall.

    Some other fella was denied access to the event as well because the bomb-sniffing dogs were indicating like crazy at him , but they didn't find anything on him so he wasn't detained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    In what universe is Harris the best choice? it's why its so funny to watch in a car crash sort of way.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's not about being the "best" choice per se.

    In a two horse race it's about being the "better" choice or even the "less bad" choice and in both those cases , the only choice is Harris.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But you are saying that she was a DEI hire. Yet you agree that you cannot point to any one else who would have done the job better who was passed over. Hence you have no basis for your accusation other than her race.

    So your accusation is completely without merit.

    Thanks for admitting this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Can't leave a rally early if there's no buses to take them away from the venue.

    Taps temple



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I can't take any of the polling seriously anymore. The body politic is haunted by 2016 and Clinton's 98% chance of winning up until the count.

    In 2020 Trump nearly won and that was after 4 years of exhausting chaos.

    People are right to be worried.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    I would claim that she is a better choice for her party than Trump is for his.

    IMO Haley would have walked the general.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agreed - There are so many factors that impact the polling that they may or may not be accounting for , which makes using them as predictors really challenging.

    One solid indicator is that Early/mail-in voting is currently running ahead of where it was 4 years ago in the middle of a pandemic (when people used early/mail-in voting at record levels) and given that that type of voting is overwhelmingly Democrat that's a positive indicator around turn-out.

    Turn-out is the key factor in this election , if the Democrats can get their vote out , they win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    the last 4 years of him ranting and raving have been pretty exhausting too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    You tell us who would be more likely to beat Trump



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I never said she was the best choice. You’re ignoring what I said.

    The members of the Democratic Party decided she was their best choice. That’s entirely up to them to choose.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Nobody else entered the second race as it was too late in the race and there would be difficulties transferring Bidens campaign funds to anyone else bar Harris.

    It was nothing to do with the good of the party or the country.

    Its all about power, and maintaining it and what better way than with an easily controllable candidate like Harris who will do exactly as she is told.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    One way of looking at the two candidates is to ask yourself which one would you prefer to have [based on what you've observed of them] as a neighbour living next door to you and your kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Obviously much better than an uncontrollable candidate who never does what they are told/advised/suggested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    What evidence do you have for her being easily controllable? Trump we can point to being manipulated by Putin on a regular basis. Pretty sure there's nothing comparable for Harris. She was an accomplished Prosecutor which means she's plenty able to hold a room and take a lead.

    Honestly you seem to just be repeating whatever nonsense you see on social media.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The claim was that she was a "DEI hire". The person making this accusation has since admitted that this was based purely on her race and had no actual basis,

    You are now once again alluding to the conspiracy theory of the "Deep State" after just lying and denying you supported that notion.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's weird cause before we were being told that she was behind the plot to oust Biden. So she's both easily controlled and secretly controls everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,586 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Marianne Williamson entered the second race after previously dropping out in the Primaries when Biden easily beat her. She re-entered after Biden decided not to run again, but then dropped out after a few weeks because so many of the delegates had already shown that they would be voting for Harris.

    The Dems fully showed their support for Harris to be the candidate right after Biden dropped out. The incumbents always have an advantage, Biden winning the Primaries so easily showed there was support for that administration (Harris included) to continue, and lots of big Dem donors started supporting Harris right after Biden dropped out.

    Harris was absolutely the best candidate to replace Biden, as evident by the fact everyone who needed to support Harris as candidate, supported Harris as candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,018 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I would say that Trump is far more controllable.

    Putin: Hello again, President Trump. My... Those hands.... So big, so masculine. Your hair is looking particularly un-wiglike today, and what's this I hear about you setting a new amateur record at Augusta?

    Trump: Here's Ukraine on the a plate.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Yet more examples of the real world damage being done by Trumps lies


    Aid to several communities impacted by Hurricane Helene was temporarily paused in parts of North Carolina over the weekend due to reports of threats against Federal Emergency Management Agency responders, amid a backdrop of misinformation about responses to recent storms.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,620 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Being an accomplished prosecuter and a politician are two completely different skillsets.

    Her short time in the Senate and her time as VP have shown that she is a poor politician.

    She was basically redundant for 2 years of Bidens term, after her catastrophic initial 18 month period and huge staff churn.

    She was one of the most unpopular Vice Presidents in recent memory in many polls.

    Now we are xpected to forget all that is it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Maxface


    This type of talk is full on Fascist behaviour, without doubt. He has normalised these types of comments and gets away with them. I wonder if KH said the same thing, would the reaction be as indifferent?

    Speaking also of indifference, how he has managed to normalise that fake tan job he does on his face, will be forever mystifying. The fact that there is no effort to conceal the edges of it and the very obvious transition from his white skin to this paint job he obviously does himself is super strange. For such a thin-skinned person to walk around like this, with what looks like he fell out the back of Mar a largo into a muddy pile, and people are too afraid to tell him that he has dirt on his face. It is very weird behaviour, let's be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,018 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, enemies are simultaneously characterised as too strong and too weak."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭skallywag


    How has he normalized it?

    Great idea to shift the discussion to the candiate's skin tones/colours/appearance, cannot see anything which could possibly go wrong there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,586 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "Her short time in the Senate…"

    How long was Vance a Senator for? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't as long as Harris was.

    So is Vance a poor politician because of his even shorter time in the Senate? I mean if you're calling into question Harris' experience to have been VP, surely you'd agree Vance isn't qualified to be VP as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    this has happened before: in 2020, same degree of chaos, people abandoned, busses gone etc

    it’s crazy to think not a single lesson was learned 4 years on. It was in Omaha, Nebraska and people were stranded in the freezing cold because busses that were arranged to get them into the rally were not arranged to get them out - I guess Trump got what he wanted and he was gone, no care for his own supporters. Sure sign of a disqualifier: can’t even care for his own supporters much less the American people at large He got his rally photo ops his big crowd etc and not a second thought was given to making sure his supporters were taken care of once the cameras stopped rolling

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/28/politics/donald-trump-omaha-rally-cold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Are you really referring to staff churn given Trump's record on this? In relation to her time in the Senate, she wouldn't have been considered a poor politician. She wasn't front and center as VP but that's not unusual and applies to pretty much most of them. As soon as she started to run for president, she's shown herself to be plenty capable of capturing the public.

    So I'll repeat, what proof do you have of her being easy to control? Trump demonstrably is easy to control. The fact he's in the pocket of a tyrant is gonna end up in the history books. But you seem intent on ignoring this for some reason.

    https://theweek.com/politics/kamala-harris-president-senator-attorney-general-ag-achievements-california



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,696 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I would not suggest she would be a great president…BUT in a choice of two where the alternative has absolutely no redeeming features and is a threat to both the US and the world, I reckon she would be a safe enough place holder to give the country chance to get its act together. If the administration does not steer her into resolving and restoring election integrity, then they deserve what they get.

    The 'she shouldn't have been chosen in the first place' also applies in spades to Trump, but they are there and its a waste of time arguing what shoulda, mighta been done. She has the background and experience to make a go of it, whether she will make the right decisions remains to be seen. She can't possibly be worse than the whining, lying, self absorbed, talent free alternative.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    You'd better have a word with the 315 other lawyers currently holding elected office (out of 535 across both houses) and let them know that being a lawyer isn't much preparation for being in politics.

    In terms of the "popularity" ratings - Her ratings largely tracked that of Biden and the administration overall , however since she became the nominee her approval ratings have rocketed moving her into Net positive approvals , while Bidens have remained where they were.

    Trump and Vance remain in negative ratings with both of them sitting steady at around -10%.

    So right now , she is the highest rated of all those in the race - Albeit very close with Waltz who is also net positive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,457 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    VPs are redundant until they are not… Another demonstration of your basic lack of understanding of the US political system.

    The VP polls only started a short time ago, in that time US politics have polarised and you cannot compare the results over time.

    You have, once again, utterly failed to substantiate your conspiracy theory dog whistling - this time about her being 'controllable'.

    It is just argument by assertion without foudation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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