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Brics - Economic co-operation group

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,683 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I doubt it. These countries have nothing in common. Not economically, politically, geographically or demographically. There is no incentive for them to co-operate.

    The term "BRICS" was only used to refer to up-and-coming economies in the early 2000s. Brazil and India made marginal gains since that time. Russia and South Africa are regressing economically. Only China has really grown and become a mostly first-world country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I am noticing that a lot of the BRICs fans seem to have a bit of history of siding with Russia on the Ukraine invasion, often outright justifying. Sure half the reason Russia are pushing it is because their international reputation is currently in tatters and their trade routes are vastly diminished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I think part of the point is that they dont intend to lecture each other, its just an organisation to assist trade and development. If I remember correctly one element is that they arent supposed to sanction other members.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Brought to you by the same people claiming 'we need to start teaching Chinese in schools now, because China is the future!', we'll just see how that pans out….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Hodger


    On the subject of Brics and China.

    In a few months time we will have a general election.

    For anyone thinking of voting for Clare Daly just please be aware that Clare is very much pro china ; pro brics and pro replacing the dollar as a world reserve currency.

    She said so herself in a video where she praised 75 years of rule of the chinese communist party; just so people in her electoral area are aware of who and what Clare really is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,683 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Well I'd say it's more useful than French or Spanish day to day. Far more likely to meet a Chinese person with poor English than someone from the continent. Also handy for reading the instructions on those dodgy electronics from Temu



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    She looks like she just saw Mick Wallace pick his nose.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 13,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    I see no problems there. China has a FAR softer hand with how it conducts busniess on the global stage.

    The US goes in and destroys country's economies and political systems and installs their own puppets. Whereas China works with the locals, builds them infrastructure and makes deals accordingly.

    I, for one, welcome our new Red overlords!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    not just China, India is a dark horse here too , not that one country supplants the US by itself but the collective energy of the others shift the centre of gravity. It only took a 100 years or so for the british to peak and crack, now it looks like the US wont be able to project power like it used to within a generation meanwhile Europe ie us are in a downward curve too.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Thanks for your thoughtful contribution to the debate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 292 ✭✭Hodger


    Some of the dissident groups in Pakistan might take a different view as just this week there was another targeted attack on chinese workers there in a line of attacks over the past year.

    One of the issues I take with Clare and people like her is constant double standards for example Clare will constantly Critize the US and condemn Israel in the ongoing current conflict over the last year.

    However Clare does not dare Condemn Russia,s action in the Ukraine in the same way she condemns Israel.

    In that video Clare appeared in celebrating 75 years of the chinese communist party Clare omitted quite a bit.

    Clare omitted the massacre in tiananmen square in 1989.

    Clare omitted the Imprisonment of dissidents into re education camps.

    Clare omitted forced organ harvesting of political prisoners.

    Clare omits and fails to condemn the ongoing issue of organized snuff animal torture videos on chinese social media over the last year or two.

    Because no laws exist in china to prevent such snuff torture when a society lacks such laws and no person faces any sort of punishment one can draw conclusions that it is an uncivilized society.

    In short Clare Daly and people with her worldview America = bad and evil vs this view they seem to hold Russia China and others can never do any wrong; I draw that conclusion from her for what she omits and fails to condemn.

    Here and the longer term I have a deep distrust of the ccp and their long end goals; while I do have my own critisms on US foreign policy in the overall end Id take a US led order over a chinese ccp led order any day .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Mandarin immersion school list

    Please find below a list of current programs as of February 1, 2024. There are now 394 schools that I’m aware of in the United States that have Mandarin immersion programs.

    You might be surprised how many in the USA already attend schools of this nature.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 13,470 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    While I'm not of the of the 'anything is better than the current US world domination' brigade, I do think a shake up is in order. Overdue really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭brickster69


    If a country has a monopoly on something that has been used for decades and brought big benefits to that country it is stupid to weaponize it for your advantage.

    I can think of at least 3 occasions lately the US publicly threatened China to kick them off the dollar system if they did not do what they want.

    Do you think the world does not take notice of this, of course they do.For all they know it could be them next week.

    Like you say it is overdue and if an alternative is wanted and it is cheaper and faster it will happen eventually. After all, in this day and age it is not rocket science to improve something that was invented 80 years ago.

    Imagine somewhere like Cuba hooking up with half the world, trading without any hassle and big countries investing with them. In 10 years they could be like Las Vegas or something for all we know instead of being a global outcast like they have for the last 60 years.

    No doubt the monopoly is not over the moon about it but not a lot they can do about it really, times change ?

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Speaking of Pakistan

    https://propakistani.pk/2024/10/02/pakistan-signs-first-ever-barter-trade-deal-with-russia/


    bartering with mandarins and chickpeas

    Perhaps the anti dollar pro bricks brigade who would themselves NOT accept their own salary/pensions in any of the BRICKS currencies explain why none of the BRICKS currencies were used here?



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Dupe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    The dream if BRICS, to become the next Vegas. And if a failed state like Cuba cN become a Vegas then what could other countries do? Wasn’t one of the reasons for the “paradise” revolution was that Havana was basically a Vegas for the rich.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The dream of BRICS is to go back to 19th century types of empires and colonialism as is being illustrated by wars Russia and Iran have started and China and India are pouring oil into

    Where slavery, miserable existence, corruption, genocide and religious fundamentalism are widespread and liberal democracy with equality and progress is a distant dream

    Which is why I find it so hilarious those that cheer for this lot, and why they don’t vote with their feet and move to these places instead of lecturing those of us who call these bullshit regimes for what they are, instead we have millions of people from BRICS trying to get into the “decadent failing” west often at great expense and risk to their lives, witness the largest thread of this subforum on immigration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Why would the likes of China, Africa, South America,Caribean, Asia and India wish to return to a system which they have already tasted centuries of colonialism, genocide, slavery and forced starvation ?

    I would imagine countries who endured atrocities like that have very long memories and would be the last thing they would wish for.

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    This was doomed before it started, it’s a group of countries with conflicting interests and chronic mismanagement. China wants to exploit most of them for resources without providing jobs to locals for projects like Western countries do. Russia just wants key resources as well. I expect the smaller partners will soon find out that the alternative to the West is even worse than they might have imagined.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Say hello to the new colonial boss, same as the old colonial boss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I think Cuba has been forced into becoming a failed state and most of the world can see that and wish them to get on. Could you imagine some big hotel chains getting involved, holiday homes, shopping malls and all sort of things.

    cuba.jpg

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Their memories of colonialism are so strong they cheer and support directly and indirectly a war of colonial conquest and expansion

    Prove me wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Strange how they all condemn what is going on in the middle east while others give unconditional support and send bombs. I could well imagine some sort of joint intervention announcement coming from them as a combined bloc in the next 10 days so.

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    How was Cuba forced into being a failed state? They had a revolution that rejected The evils of capitalism and went with socialism (although with Fidel’s brother taking over, could you call it a kind of monarchy), spoiler alert it didn’t work. I don’t think private enterprises want to set up in a communist country?



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    while supporting financially, technologically and militarily a war of Russia colonial conquest

    Like I said, prove me wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like Brazil is now onside at the latest vote. Just leaves three states who won't vote for them now, looks like another antique system needs doing away with and brought into the 21st century given it recent record.

    cuba.jpg

    “Wars begin when you want them to, but they don’t end when you ask them to.”- Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Big long read on the history up to 2024 of ongoing Russian colonialist expansion

    Russians and other BRICS members say one thing but do the exact opposite

    why don’t the BRICS jamboree drop out of the UN and other international bodies? Not like they respect international norms, conventions and laws



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    In the sweep of thing and even including the stupidity of Soviet communism it would be a hard sell not to have disdain for Western style solutions to things, from Vietnam on, the West can still be seen as taketh as much as it does givith

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The “west” hasn’t undertaken colonial adventures this century

    Russia has, and BRICS members are talking out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to colonialism

    As for Vietnam please point out on a map where US colonies are located there



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