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Andrew Tate

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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Cool.

    So grifter is someone who makes money by stating stuff you don't like?

    Or a grifter is someone who is paid to promote something they don't necessarily believe?

    Or a grifter is someone who isn't always honest but makes money from people who want to believe their lies?

    Or a grifter is someone who makes money from entertaining people by relaying a message they know is not 100% accurate but are paid to tell them anyway?

    Because, you know, that covers an AWFUL lot of people.

    Or do you just pick anyone that isn't "on the left" and then say that "they are all the same".

    Jordan Peterson is Tim Pool who is Andrew Tate. I believe Ana Kasparian is next too.

    Whereas the only real thing they have in common is that people dislike them for not being "on their side" enough.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    But saville didn't go to court but yet you're happy enough to presume him guilty based on testimony and investigations. But not Tate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    They are both selling things for profit using the medium of the internet. See you can link totally dissimilar things if you really want to but it doesn't make it correct.

    Peterson and Tate are not similar. I am not sure why you'd want anyone would want want to try tar Peterson with the Tate brush. I have no idea why anyone would want to do that though.

    Do no you think you'd lump in Tate with Dylan Mulvanney for example? They are about as similar as Peterson and Tate given some of the rationale already discussed here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I sure do lump folks into the same category who are clearly very disingenuous in what they say for the sole purpose of a grift. That is not the same as an honest online income. Surely you see the difference?

    It's clear as day with them. Russell Brand is probably the most blatant recent example of it with his comically see through conversion to Christianity.

    If it were the Old West, I could see the three of them traveling across the land together selling Snake Oil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,034 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    I've no idea who Tim Pool is btw.

    Lucky you! He's a US RW "commentator" who realised there was more money to be made pushing falsehoods than being an actual journalist. Spread lots and lots of disinformation re: voter fraud in the 2020 election. Hangs around with Nick Fuentes, Milo Yiannopolous et al. You get the picture.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,034 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Tim Pool is a spreader of disinformation, a proven liar. If you want to stick up for him that's on you.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Saville couldn't go to court due to being dead.

    But the results of the investigations and the discoveries of Operation Yewtree were published, giving me reason to believe that there was enough evidence to presume guilt.

    I have seen the accusations levelled at Tate but the investigations are still on-going, which is why I haven't presumed anything yet.

    Hardly a radical or controversial stance to take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,624 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If you genuinely people like Brand, Peterson and Tate are the same as online retailers, I don't know what to say to you.

    Message received and understood.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    He has been charged, investigation is done.

    If you don't think he did it, fair enough, just own it.

    Personally I believe he did, based on many things, including his own admissions. That doesn't mean he will be found guilty.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Christ on a flippin' bike!

    Where have I stuck up for Tim Pool now?

    For saying that he isn't the same as Andrew Tate?

    By saying that ANYONE to the right of Bernie Sanders is liable to be classed as a Grifter?

    Or for saying that a broad definition of grifter would encapsulate a LOT of people?

    The recent trend of accusing people of "sticking up for people" when it clearly isn't happening is bizarre.

    "You don't hate this person enough for my liking" is more accurate



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    The trial is still pending.

    I am not privvy to the information yet so I am holding off on judgment. I won't own it. I will wait and see what the case brings.

    You believe he did it, based on the accusations and your opinion of him and have indicated that even if he is found not guilty, then you will still believe he is guilty. No evidence will convince you otherwise.

    That's not a stance I would be proud of, but demonstrates what I have been speaking about perfectly so thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Ok so it's a right vs left thing in your eyes.

    Now it makes a lot more sense as I have yet to see a woman invest so much time in speaking about Tate in a non derogatory way before, considering he is a well known misogynist at best.

    It's truly baffling how much time and effort you have put into "not defending" him.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I stated quite clearly I believe he is guilty based on his own admissions, among other things.

    I'm not sure if you spend any time in the courts, but trust me there are people found guilty for all kinds of reasons, that doesn't mean they didn't do it.

    Yep, they're not guilty officially and always will be, but I don't know why I would be ashamed of knowing someone is guilty, even if not convicted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,034 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    You are defending him by saying things like "oh he's a grifter because he says things you don't like?". He is a grifter because he makes his money telling lies and pushing misinformation. I explained that was why I say he is a grifter, and your response was the above.

    Now, as for the "things I don't like", there's the hanging around with, and enabling, white supremacists for a start. But that doesn't make him a grifter, that makes him a cunt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,866 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It is not just based on accusations but thorough investigations which had evidence.

    Investigations which have evidence is what has led to Tate being charged.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    When you see a pattern of people being all tarred with the same brush because they happen to be on one side of the political spectrum despite being very individually different with very different backgrounds and opinions, it would be silly to dismiss it as anything other than a right vs left issue.

    It would be dishonest to ignore that.

    And it really takes no time or effort to post honest opinions.

    But I can't help but notice that you are inferring that I have been defending him with your use of quotation marks. If you could perhaps indicate or highlight one of my defences of Andrew Tate, I would greatly appreciate it.

    Was it when I said I would delight in his sentencing if the evidence proved him guilty?

    Was it when I called him an odious oaf?

    Was it when I said I didn't like him?

    Was it when I have repeatedly stated that I categorically am NOT defending him?

    Becuase the only thing that I find "truly baffling" is that I am being accused by multiple people of defending someone despite no evidence or proof other than accusations to the contrary.

    Now if that isn't food for thought and perhaps holds a mirror up to your position, then I don't know what to tell you.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    And that would be a perfectly valid opinion to have if you weren't very selective as to when to believe Andrew Tate and when to disregard what he says as a lie.

    You really just cherrypick to prove your argument and that's ok. That's consistent behaviour for someone who has admitted to not only believe that he is guilty, but you claim to KNOW it.

    Again, not a position I would be proud to hold but it is refreshing, if not concerning, to see someone be so honest about it. I just hope that you never get selected for jury service.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I am aware of that. But the evidence now needs to be presented does it not or do we skip that and go straight to sentencing and bypass the whole pesky trial nonsence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    So Dylan Mulvaney and Andrew Tate would also be in the same category based on that logic?

    You are the one stating that Brand,Peterson, Tate (But not someone like Mulvaney) are in the same category - not me. I was merely pointing out how simple it is to put things in a very broad category and ask the question why you would categorise Tate and Peterson together, but not say (as above) Tate and Mulvaney?

    To be clear and I am not "backing" any of the people discussed - just wondering why anyone would chose to categorise some of them together while seemingly ignoring those categorisation rule (that have been stated) to ignore others who would also fit into that category.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,624 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Fair enough folks.

    It would be impossible to find out who they are or what they do as well so the thread is dead at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    No majority don't like them because they're arseholes who say mysoginistic things and prey on mainly impressionable teenage boys with their "ideologies".

    I personally couldn't care less if they were communists or facists, it's the language used by Tate and his very public actions that are disturbing.

    It must be taking up a good bit of your time consistently replying for pages upon pages to people and it's very odd that you claim not to be defending but constantly call people out for their beliefs in the charges that have been brought against him after investigation in 2 separate jurisdictions.

    Getting all high and mighty in the last sentence, sounds like his material is rubbing off on you.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    lol.

    This sums up the whole dishonesty of the thread



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    😁

    Well if we haven't heard of them their grift game must not to be any kind of level that matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,624 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Or you're just doing the whataboutery thing again. Some one of the two.

    I think you're spending way too much time on American social media, honestly and I have zero interest in making your argument for you.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,329 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    So if I mention some obscure influencer / Z list celebrity nobody knows to prove a point are you going to scour social media to research them?

    I would say that's probably going to be a 'no'.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,331 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Well I think it's ok to highlight that it was said on this thread that there are people who have already made up their mind and KNOW that the Tate Brothers are guilty, before the trial has started.

    Now I might be in the minority here, but I think that's a little more of an extreme position to have than mine of, lets see the evidence and then come to a conclusion.

    Now I know you don't like the Tates (either do I, as I have said on multiple occassions) but I think calling out people for such claims is kind of justified and not seen as support.

    And then to top things off, you accuse me of being something like Tate by suggesting his material is "rubbing off on me"?

    So because I am saying things you don't like, I sound like Andrew Tate?

    That's either a very silly and childish ad-hominem or proof that anyone who says anything you don't approve of is as bad as each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Oh just looked Dylan Mulvanney up now, "Dylan Mulvaney is an American social media personality known for detailing her gender transition in daily videos published on TikTok since early 2022."

    I may be wrong but I think I know why they don't like her.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,586 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    hahaha says themselves who are on a thread discussing Andrew Tate and other american/canadian personalities who make their living primarily on american owned social media sites…………..



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