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Tesla Talk

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,315 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,650 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Investing short term in a (somewhat) disruptor is fine, its like betting on red or black (ignoring the greens/0 that mean the house always wins overall). You're as likely to win as lose. Not long term though. I have invested and took profit multiple times with Tesla when the numbers made sense, but only ever ultimately based on my subjective opinion rather than driven by logic and numbers. That means any investment was a bet and not an investment. I work in finance and the idea of subjectivity rather than quant data is not a great source for confidence.

    Tesla is over 20 years old now so I don't fully buy the new startup disrupter anymore. When tesla was formed I was still in secondary school and now I'm a hairy old man with a family and a mortgage and two teenagers. Tesla were a disrupter in 2008, 2012 etc and that argument carried to the model 3 launch. There are car companies younger than Tesla that have started and folded in a single model cycle for tesla.

    Good point. Boards is a weird spot where people who were in their 20's in the '00s-2015 are hanging out (and less and less each year) but no real new users join here. Anyone that contributes a fair bit but has a recent join date is 99% a rejoin of an old user (like I was, I first joined in 08 I think). I wonder in 2034 will there be a boards or will some of us that are left be down memory lane on r/theboardsyears or something 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,493 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @ELM327 - "I have invested and took profit multiple times with Tesla"

    Haha exact same here. I let the pros (or bots!) of my pension fund do the sensible thing with their algos and routines and give me a reasonable return on my money over a long period.

    The TSLA I play with myself with money that won't make a huge difference to my life if I lost it all. Has made me quite a bit of money but it sure is gambling more than anything. Could be luck of course but I have done significantly better than my pension fund on TSLA over the last 8 years since I first bought shares. But of course we had made a lot more money if we had just bought fully in back then and HODLd it

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,650 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes, like the chap who used 10k bitcoin to buy a pizza. He did well, as the bitcoin were free to him, but he could have done a heck of a lot better by hodling. I had shares before the first split.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,493 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yeah hindsight is a great thing. At least he got 2 pizzas for his 10k BTC, now worth over $600 million 😁

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭big_show


    Will anyone drop the premium connectivity now that free spotify is going? Can't see myself keeping it. Hotspot for the few times I use netflix etc.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I have it for free for 15 months due to referrals and also use my own Spotify. I’ll see then. But for €10, it’s nothing. I know people who spend that a day on coffees!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,650 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I'm considering dropping it because the reception is worse than my phone. I didnt use the car spotify account anyway. Tenner a month is nothing (but over the year it's the same as the year's motor tax cost!). I like the visualised traffic and the satellite nav but to be honest it's nowhere near worth 120 quid a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭talla


    I'm similar, have always used my own Spotify account. Have basically just treated the premium connectivity as convenient data connection.

    I'm guessing that the deal with Spotify expired and Spotify were looking to increase the price per car.

    So rather than going down the route of raising the monthly Premium Connectivity Sub for all, they viewed they would lose less subs by dropping Spotify instead of increasing the monthly sub.

    Now if they did increase the monthly Premium Connectivity Price, then I would seriously consider dropping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭jlang


    I'm coming the other way. I didn't start to pay for Premium Connectivity after the free month expired without me missing anything. I haven't seen a compelling reason yet why I should and Tesla seemingly cutting features makes it less likely. It's not really about the actual cost at all as I'd probably have paid a once off €99 for a year if it was offered herre but I'm always reluctant to start another open-ended subscription.

    The satellite maps were nice to have but I'd turned them off anyway as I was finding the plain maps less distracting and I'm not likely to be a subscriber for many of the other streaming apps.

    When I think about it, the only improvement I'd value enough to pay actual money for would be Android Auto and/or letting two phones be connected to Bluetooth at the same time like in any other car. (So I am able to answer my phone while the kids play music, etc.). But I've made my peace with the fact that that's not likely to happen - and if it ever did it probably shouldn't come under Premium anyway.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    i do not like open ended subs either, if I was away for a week I'd sub for that month but otherwise I'm not paying for it especially as I prefer my own .flac music selection. I've a rake of referrals that will expire next year so I will probably stack a few years Premium Sub along with a small bit of free SuC and some merch

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat



    IMG_0318.jpeg


    Elon unveils his Robotaxi.
    Two gullwing doors, under 30k usd, production supposedly begins 2026.
    Inductive charging, and an all camera approach used for navigation.

    Also unveiled was a 20 person Robovan.

    https://www.reuters.com/technology/teslas-musk-unveil-robotaxis-amid-fanfare-skepticism-2024-10-10/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    A taxi with only two seats seems impractical. Also they'll need to build new charging infrastructure if they are not going to use the Supercharger.

    Not a hope this is released in the next five years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    IMG_0320.jpeg

    More photos:

    https://www.caranddriver.com/photos/g62573940/tesla-robotaxi-gallery/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭wassie


    Sending a robotaxi to an unmanned SuC is not really going to work now is it?

    But agree with you that the timeframes (or lack thereof) are unrealistic. Given Tesla's track record no on is in any doubt of that.

    However its still a step towards the future of driverless cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    I assumed they'd build an automated charger or two at each of their superchargers to start where the car navigates to the charger, parks itself and the an arm reachs out and plugs the car in and then unplugs when full. That to me would be far cheaper and faster to implement than building large conductive charging bays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,908 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    They are using wireless charging. The one displayed didn’t have a charging port


    2 seats is fine. Most taxis only have 1 or 2 passengers.

    Timeline is comical. It’ll be 2030+

    As for sub $30K I’m sure that’ll be supplemented with a subscription for FSD



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,220 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    That's what I'm saying. They've to develop wireless charging for both the car and charging hubs and this still won't be as fast as the option they already have.

    The logical thing to me would be to install motorised chargers at current superchargers and have the cars use current charging technology. This would be faster and cheaper to implement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    Damp squib but still encouraging to know that there will be self-driving cars by the time my faculties fail me in old age.

    the proposed business model for operators of this car just doesn't seem credible.

    Uber drivers on west coast USA are already leaving as the pricing model is a race to the bottom and they would be better off as bellhops.

    Renault Mobilize Duo and Bento were more exciting news than this Tesla Robotaxi yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,650 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Completely pointless and laughable. I'll eat my hat if this is out and functional before 2030



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭wassie


    Quite probable with the caveat that it will be limited (at least to begin with) to small highly urbanised inner city areas with well developed infrastructure. Large-scale city-wide deployments would be some time off, as the technology with regard to security and safety standards need to be implemented, along with regulatory support. Then theres the whole public acceptance thing. Its a lot more than the cars themselves.

    Modern Asian cities where the state exerts significant control, like Singapore for example, will probably be leading the charge on this. The CBDs of large cities like London, New York etc could well follow as public vehicle traffic becomes more restricted also.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,015 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Stock down 10% since the start of the week so this unveiling hasn't had a positive effect unfortunately.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Buy Buy Buy!!!

    My stuff on Adverts, mostly Tesla Pre Highland Model 3

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Seriously though, a lot of US gilt stocks are down the last while along with dollar falling, it's across the board

    My stuff on Adverts, mostly Tesla Pre Highland Model 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,015 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    A good news story with some tangibles on a topic that's been seeded for what 18 months now should have given at least a small lift. Worrying perhaps that it hasn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,908 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    it was as only unveiled last night after the market closed..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,015 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Technically yes, but are you in any doubt that the full contents of the "show" wasn't made available several days prior, if not longer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,650 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It's down in premarket

    224.95-13.82(-5.79%)Pre-Market: 5:04 AM EDT

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/TSLA/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭wassie


    Investors are well versed in Elon's timelines by this stage.



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