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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Reporting out that the Trump campaign is refusing to sign required documents for potential federal transition either in another sign that either Trump doesn't believe he will win (something the Russians don't believe either, or the Chinese, or the Iranians, they're all planning to use psyops to deny the outcome of the 2024 election), or in a sign that he will simply implement Project 2025, since the transition project requires pre-vetting of transition picks ahead of election day, playing ball with the transition efforts would notably force Trump to either have to appoint some throwaway stand-ins like he did in 2016 (he fired his transition team after he won and started anew) or for him to begin disclosure that would confirm he's just going to install Project 2025 personnel (and in 2020 as incumbent, Trump infamously suspended presidential transition efforts and attempted an autocoup instead). Signing the documents would mean Trump would gain access to millions of taxpayer dollars for a transition, however the catch is it would mean Trump isn't allowed to raise money from foreign entities or anyone exceeding $5,000 - and since Trump is behind on fundraising and leaning heavily into big plate spenders and foreign interests, it's hardly a shock he doesn't want to sign that agreement even for the carrot of a big lump sum of money (On Aug. 10 for example he held a fundraiser starting at $5,000/plate, up to $250,000; and in may he privately courted oil executives for at least $1 Bn for him to deregulate their industry). Trump has never turned down a free dollar without a deeply conceited reason to before, which suggests very conniving reasons for doing so here.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Wow that's such an obscure reference 4 years later, it really indicates he has not and cannot let go of losing in 2020 to Joe Biden (seen with his "circles" messaging health and safety during the pandemic). And as far as this being clearly related to his fierce obsession with rally sizes, he had at least 1000 or more seats vacant at his Reading, PA rally last night, couldn't even fill an area of 7,000. He also, incidentally, broke his own promise to wrap up his rallies if he saw people walking out.

    Similarly when Trump campaigned in PA on June 22 at a venue with a 10,000 capacity, whole sections were curtained off and the top gallery was closed off. When Kamala filled the same arena on August 6 it was packed to the rafters. It seems fixating on "Biden's circles" and being stuck in time is forcing Trump not to see the wood for the trees. By Trump's own favorite metric, crowd sizes, he is falling behind. Yesterday's jam.

    As for how he's doing tonight - seemingly not great? He's in Detroit slagging off Detroiters and mocking their city. Probably not going to curry much favor here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    There is a doc on RTE right now "The Choice 2024" which is basically a load of biased talking heads taking up Harris.

    The more they talk her up with black and white photos of her faking looking deep in thought on our screens, all they achieve is to show her up as the nobody special person she really is.

    This is why she will loss. Even some democrats don't want her as the first ever Woman president because she'll just make a fool of herself if tries to be the female version of Obama. There is a bit of a Shara Phalin thing off her, and Walz looks like a Sesame Street puppet.

    I'm calling it, she will loose because everyone can see by now she is not presidential material by a long way. Some would prefer 4 more years of Trump bashing that Harris win. It would have been better for everyone had Trump beaten Biden because it will be effectively 12 years of him now instead of 8.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,945 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I don't know what to say. The absolute state of the media. They're garbage, they're all a bit like tabloid media. Sure, they haven't sank to the lows of the likes of The Sun, but they're on their way.

    Is there any such thing as impartiality? In this country it's always been pro Democrat, that's how I've always seen it, and Anti Republican. And I'll say I've always been pro Democrat. Was it the media influencing me? Possibly.

    Both candidates in this US election are poor. I'm watching The Choice 2024: Harris Vs Trump on RTE1. It's so pro Harris and anti Trump. I agree with both candidates on some issues, but they're both horrible. Neither are fit for office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,035 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Well he'll end the war in Ukraine for starters, that drops my energy costs which allows me to pump more money back into the economy which helps everyone. It should also free up some housing so our youth aren't faced with the bullet or the boat, the Governement should in turn have even more money for tax cuts, it'll also free up hospital beds as we won't need to be repairing foreign soldiers, the list is long but he can be a positive for Ireland very quickly even before January 20th.

    Do you take any issue with Trump ending the war, is it not something you would vote for, you might dislike Putin but you'd need to dislike Ukranians more to vote for more of the same.

    Europe should get ahead of him and end it now rather than give him all the credit. They won't though, why I don't know.

    As for Americans, there going to vote for who's going to put more money in their pockets, it's that simple. Why a lot of people here think that's Kamala i'm still trying to get my head around. She's offering nothing different from Biden and it's nonsense posters claiming that's not to undermine Biden, they've already thrown him under the bus and hit reverse.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Do you take any issue with Trump ending the war, is it not something you would vote for, you might dislike Putin but you'd need to dislike Ukranians more to vote for more of the same.

    You think giving away huge swathes of Ukraine to Russia, if not the entire country, will lead to peace, and lower costs, and fewer refugees??

    If you believe that, I have a bridge for sale in the Kerch Strait.

    As for Americans, there going to vote for who's going to put more money in their pockets, it's that simple. 

    So Kamala it is, then. Trump's economic plan is going to cost more than double hers to the national debt and just last night he pledged 1000% or more tariffs on cars. 🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,945 ✭✭✭✭sligeach




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "Both sides" nonsense, empty say-nothing remarks: How at all is Harris "poor" "horrible" and "not fit for office?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭advisemerite


    The Independent website and newspaper a Liberal left leaning Democrat party supporter in the UK have stated the Kamala honeymoon is over and that Trump os leading her in Winconsin and Michigan. It goes on to state she is likely to lose Pennsylvania too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The same author, on the same website, for the same newspaper, also says Trump is "trailing badly" as of an hour ago. And no the article you're referring to doesn't say anywhere in it that she is 'likely to lose Pennsylvania' - in fact it points out she's leading in the Quinnipiac poll there, while going on to throw his hands up in the air, admit he has no idea what the electoral outcome will be and "it's truly anyone's ballgame."

    I would perhaps be cautious of being bedazzled by the tabloids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Is the new tactic of a trump supporter to just openly lie? I mean, you could have posted a link or represented the article faithfully, but went straight to nonsense.

    Is it to try and generate responses or is another site pushing its agenda so easily into you that it gets repeated without thought?

    You're also not the first poster to use the honeymoon phrase in the last few hours, it seems a bit desperate, at least start using different phrases to differentiate yourselves.

    Biden told trump to "get a life" today as trump is spinning lies about the hurricane and no doubt the easily led minions will be on regurgitating it soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Even 60 minutes said on Sunday, 'the honeymoon period is over' it's just the phrase being used to narrate the moment. I wouldn't read too much into it, aside from a remark that the polls have tapered off and she's essentially back to the same favorability she had ahead of the 2020 election - and so does Trump (including being underwater on disapproval) - which, given she helped win that election, is still a good thing.



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    The "centrists" on the thread don't want to go into detail on why she's unfit because it invites questions that they don't like and will have to avoid.

    Either these reasons for her unfitness are just makey uppy like "deep state" or they are things that Trump actually does.

    If it's the former then they have to avoid all of the questions about backing it up or explaining all of the debunking. If it's the latter it invites the obvious comparison to Trump and they have to avoid acknowledging that Trump is much worse at an issue they believe is disqualifying.

    If they just declare that she is vaguely unfit, they can keep pretending as if they are equally bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Don’t expect any credible answer that doesn’t involve giving land to a tyrant bully maniac who threatens the world daily with Nukes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Trump doing what Trump does. Pissing all over Detroit…while being IN Detroit.

    If this was a Biden gag, oh boy, some posters here would light up!

    “You want to know the truth?” Trump told members of the Detroit Economic Club as he painted a picture of what his opponent would do to America. “It’ll be like Detroit. Our whole country will end up being like Detroit if she’s your president. You’re going to have a mess on your hands.”

    Just astonishing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Post and ghost, I really love how this thread rolls at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    It's funny people saying she's unfit and that's a reason to vote for Trump. That would be fine if Trump wasn't also unfit. To declare one as unfit doesn't mean much in a 2 horse race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,027 ✭✭✭✭briany


    One laughs a lot and has some wishy washy policies, while the other incited an attack on the Capitol after spreading a baseless conspiracy theory about the 2020 election.

    To call Harris a poor candidate for the office of POTUS would be basically correct, imo. I don't see her as having much of any x-factor.

    However, to call Trump a poor candidate for the same position would be a bit like saying that a man with a criminal record of indecent exposure to minors would therefore be a poor choice for the position of 4th class teacher at St Fintan's NS. 'Poor' wouldn't really cover it.

    This isn't to say that Trump won't be elected. He well could be. But if he is elected, it'll be a signal that trying to topple a democratic vote is no longer a disqualifying factor for a western leader and this sets the West up for a particularly dark path in the decades to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd say the convicted criminal who is in Putin's pocket is by default the worst choice by a substantial margin. You can complain about RTE being partisan but we've all seen what his first term was like.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭crusd


    The idea that its the left not the right that are obsessed with gender id 😂.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭crusd


    Do you recall the moment that you and reality diverged?

    Vance🤣 Trump😂. Somehow being capable🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Just a weekly reminder that Trump was literally impeached for blackmailing Ukraine.

    Also far from ending any conflict he will let Putin do whatever he wants, we know this because again he told us.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68266447



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    The testimonies from world leaders who worked with Trump are very different. How many lives could have been saved if Trump was reelected? This cannot be ignored.

    Boris Johnson: “On Ukraine, I think that some of the pessimism is overdone and I think that Donald actually... he (Trump) gave the javelins to the Ukrainians where the Democrats didn’t, right?

    “When I was foreign secretary, he kicked out those Russian spies. Sixty of them. So he can surprise very much on the upside.

    “I happen to believe that when Donald Trump says that had he been president in 2022, there would have been no Russian invasion of Ukraine. My view is that that is a credible assertion. I really do think that’s credible.”



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    Why wouldn't there have been a Russian invasion if Trump was president?

    What specifically would he have done to have prevent it?

    Please bare in mind that the current tact with you fellows is to pretend Trump is anti war and anti violent rhetoric, so claiming that he would have used threats more would not be a valid answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And given the fact he was impeached over extorting Zelensky and has spent the last 4 years doing personal calls with Putin. I don't believe for a second that he would have prevented the invasion or stepped in the way at all. On top of that, he's made it clear that he intends to hand portions of Ukraine to Putin, Putin will commit genocide in those regions and regroup his forces.

    I'd also have little to no time for Boris of all people tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,721 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    You really would not think you would have to say all this, would you? You'd think it would be self-evident.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    This thread is getting flooded with more and more lies in the last few weeks and becoming more like twitter.

    The sooner this election is over the better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,363 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN



    You can read the poll results yourselves (it’s close obviously) but I thought this part was interesting - undecided voters are less likely to vote at all - so in SOME respects, the undecided can be discounted - many will never make up their minds for this election -

    “The snapshot of the race in this report is based on all registered voters.

     Not all voters will turn out in the 2024 presidential election – and those who are undecided or unsure about their choice are far less motivated to vote than are those who express more certainty.”


    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/10/10/the-harris-trump-matchup/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    I hear you! The ramblings about how Melania hates Trump and will divorce him after the election were a particular low point. No requirement for evidence whatsoever.



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