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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Reports are that some have been injured (not Irish)

    Isn't it mad though that the "civilised" nation have progressed and started doing what everyone expected them to do vis-a-vis targeting and attacking UN personnel, whereas the "savages" issued explicit commands for their people not to fire near the outposts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    It's certainly causing a lot of people in the west to re-evaluate who the terrorists in the region are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,802 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It's nuts. Only the israelis could attack UN peacekeeper outposts and claim it's justified. And they will make that claim

    I'm fully expecting a statement to say that the peacekeepers were actually hezbollah. And if they weren't Hezbollah, then the Israelis weren't actually there, and if the israelis were actually there they'll hold an investigation and it's all ok, you can forget about it now because we're already killing more civilians. And you're all antisemites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    To suggest that Israel pushed back to the 1967 borders would not be weaker and more vulnerable is questionable to say the least.

    It simply isn't realistic to suggest Israeli withdrawal when Iran's proxies can attack them at will from any position friendly to them. A sensible peace plan has to deal with the threats they face.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You made the claim - I believe the standard etiquette is that you back them up.

    You mentioned you'd looked at multiple reputable sources - so it won't be difficult to provide those sources.

    Unless you don't have any of course.

    In which case I'll dismiss your claim as false.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Crazy stuff, shooting security cameras as well. Why do they need to shoot UN security cameras?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Same reason they take out journalists by sniper as soon as they can. They don't want anyone there recording their planned atrocities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭TokTik


    It’ll be for one of two reasons.

    1. Self defence
    2. The cameras were Hezbollah.

    If you call this out as bs, you’re antisemitic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    These Germans are well and truly down the rabbit hole lately, they are even after the " golden child " for speaking out against the global pariah.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭radiospan


    Yesterday, IDF soliders took out the cameras, and today they attack the base.

    IDF soldiers fired on UN positions in Ras Naqoura, "hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system. An IDF drone was observed flying inside the UN position up to the bunker entrance."

    It also confirmed that yesterday "IDF soldiers deliberately fired at and disabled the position's perimeter-monitoring cameras. They also deliberately fired on UNP 1-32A, where regular Tripartite meetings were held before the conflict began, damaging lighting and a relay station."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Get rid of the potential for evidence. They also took out Coms.

    Not that it bothers them their crimes are recorded, doesn't stop them lying about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,802 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Firstly, to say it would or not be more vulnerable is besides the point. Russia would be less vulnerable if it had ukraine as a buffer zone. That doesn't mean that Russia has any right to it.

    Secondly, the rights of the occupied people are more important than the rights of the occupiers.

    Thirdly, Israel will never be secure as long as it's occupying Palestine. they will always be oppressing millions of people. This will always cause people in those territories to fight for their freedom. Plus it affects Israels support externally. The oppression of the Palestinians is something that nearly every country in the world is against. Israel is slowly isolating itself. It may reach the point where arab countries that are currently neutral will actively oppose it and the only ally it will have is the US.

    And even if Israel had any right to occupying Palestine, it still wouldn't give it the right to colonise it and steal it's resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Iran doesn't give a fiddlers curse whether Israel is "occupying Palestine" or not. They want them gone, and it's not negotiable. Same with Putler and Ukraine.

    There will be no peace until the mullahs are dealt with.

    To be clear: I am not a Likudnik and I would have no issue with Israel being forced back to the 1967 borders - but only as part of a more comprehensive plan, one that deals with Israel's legitimate security issues.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    These Israeli terrorist savages need to be wiped out. They are clearly a threat to civilisation and world peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,076 ✭✭✭mountain


    the Israelis don’t give a f uck, they are well beyond being reigned in by the US or the EU, they will lay waste to much of Lebanon as they have with Gaza.
    One of their ministers is Itamar Ben Gvir, who would b happy to see every arab dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭yagan


    Palestine was a homeland for Jews, Muslims and Christians too.

    No reason for Palestian Christians and Muslims to be ousted from the properties because of what happened in europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭radiospan


    It's gone beyond Israel not being reigned in at this point. They won't reign in themselves and the US won't do it either. So who to look at next?

    The conversation needs to move to why the EU countries aren't "reigning in" the US from supplying weapons to Israel. And simultaneously why Ireland aren't pressuring the European countries to take this action. The support is there.

    You say the Israeli's don't give a f uck, this is obvious. It seems the US, EU, Ireland and Simon Harris do not give a f uck either. It was their job to reign in Israel, each in their own they. They failed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,804 ✭✭✭yagan


    Secular Israelis also suffer Zionism. Israel had a PM assassinated by Zionists for daring to seek peace. Zionists use religion as an excuse for genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    The likes of Ireland can only do so much in isolation. Particularly when the zionist backing countries themselves hold so much sway and are willing to act as attack dogs for them. They have to try to work to get a consensus. And due to the efficiency of the zionist propaganda, that can take a lot of time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭radiospan


    We can only do so much, yes. But when you have the US presidents ear for an hour and do nothing…

    It's too easy to say we can't do anything. Harris could have done something small but meaningful yesterday. He didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,802 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    here's the unfil statement.

    Taken from https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/oct/10/middle-east-crisis-israel-gaza-iran-us-lebanon-latest-news-updates?filterKeyEvents=false&page=with:block-6707be598f08a4688dc2232a#block-6707be598f08a4688dc2232a

    Recent escalation along the Blue Line is causing widespread destruction of towns and villages in south Lebanon, while rockets continue to be launched towards Israel, including civilian areas.

    In the past days we have seen incursions from Israel into Lebanon in Naqoura and other areas. Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers have clashed with Hezbollah elements on the ground in Lebanon. Unifil’s Naqoura headquarters and nearby positions have been repeatedly hit.

    This morning, two peacekeepers were injured after an IDF Merkava tank fired its weapon toward an observation tower at Unifil’s headquarters in Naqoura, directly hitting it and causing them to fall. The injuries are fortunately, this time, not serious, but they remain in hospital.

    IDF soldiers also fired on UN position (UNP) 1-31 in Labbouneh, hitting the entrance to the bunker where peacekeepers were sheltering, and damaging vehicles and a communications system. An IDF drone was observed flying inside the UN position up to the bunker entrance.

    Yesterday, IDF soldiers deliberately fired at and disabled the position’s perimeter-monitoring cameras. They also deliberately fired on UNP 1-32A in Ras Naqoura, where regular Tripartite meetings were held before the conflict began, damaging lighting and a relay station.

    We remind the IDF and all actors of their obligations to ensure the safety and security of UN personnel and property and to respect the inviolability of UN premises at all times. UNIFIL peacekeepers are present in south Lebanon to support a return to stability under security council mandate.

    Any deliberate attack on peacekeepers is a grave violation of international humanitarian law and of Security Council resolution 1701. We are following up with the IDF on these matters.

    So a tank shot at an observation tower. They fired on a bunker and sent a drone in. They took out security cameras and they attacked a building used as a meeting room.

    I await someone to come along and tell me how Israel used targeted strikes based on the greatest intel and at the same time can't spot a UN flag and have no idea where UN bases are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    MSF reporting that 50 paramedics have been killed by Israeli strikes in the past 2 weeks in Lebanon. Israel always go after healthcare workers and medical facilities first.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    There will always be a diplomatic line to tread. Nobody know what was said privately. If he came out and burned bridges publicly by condemning Biden etc. then of course there would be headlines for a day or two but that would likely be the end of the influence going forward and it alone still wouldn't change the US path. We already saw tweets that were highlighted on here, from US policy makers and wannabe politicians calling for the Irish contingent in UNIFIL to be carpet bombed and napalmed.

    While Ireland punches above its weight diplomatically and has an outsized influence in the US, it is not bulletproof or invincible. That influence could be lost or greatly diminished going forward by making rash decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    It's the Irish and European public's job to reign in their political leaders for failing to act at this stage.

    I was shocked to see that Von Der Leyen statement a few days where she claimed the only reason Hamas attacked Israel was because the people were Jewish, not because of the colonising or the siege just because of their religion.

    I don't know when mainstream politics in Europe became so radical and twisted but it feels like it happened very suddenly and I have to imagine there's an awful lot of ordinary people feeling very troubled and uncomfortable at the political direction the EU has taken recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭Fann Linn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,413 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm hearing that dissent by ordinary Germans is strongly discouraged. It's the government and media en masse that are heavily pushing the pro-Zionist and pro-Netanyahu line…..anyone who tries to go against it is immediately labelled "anti-Semitic", a troublemaker and a supporter of terrorism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Any deliberate attack on peacekeepers is a grave violation of international humanitarian law and of Security Council resolution 1701. We are following up with the IDF on these matters.

    Sounds like they sent a strongly worded email.

    All Irish UN troops should be recalled immediately, absolutely farce of an organisation.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ah well , when you can't condemn a terrorist attack , by a terrorist organization , on a democracy .......



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