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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Hope all okay (are by the sounds of things), would you really be worried about M3 depreciation, that's happened now, a good 221/222 RWD should be well under €30k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭tlaavtech


    Nope! It amazes me that one of the most populated areas of the city has no public chargers - including the hospital and the largest Tesco in the South-East. There are at least three other smaller Tescos that have the old ESB 22kw chargers. (Ballybeg, Tramore and Poleberry.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    ACA, accelerated capital allowance? No, we didnt claim that, just depreciating the car over 4 years in line with all our vehicles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,119 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It's already happened, yes, but I'm not willing or interested in having the same car again. I usually change every 12 months or so anyway so it was overdue. The 3 was only supposed to be temporary until my X reservation came in. But that's a long story

    Fair. Isnt it supposed to be 8 years at 12.5% each year for asset purchase? Obviously consult an accountant etc as I'm not one!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604


    yeah, its a strange one, all other chargers are in the city or over on the Cork road side of things.

    and as you say Tesco, then Aldi and Lidl etc.

    I visit here a bit and its a bit of a pain having to go in near city etc to get decent charging



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I'm an accountant in a past life, general manager of the company now.

    We depreciate assets over their useful economic life, our vans were always 4 years so we do the same with cars. Didn't make any changes to EVs, didn't see the benefit to us really apart from less tax in year 1 but you're caught out in years 2 to 4 then so we keep things more or less level over the years.

    8 years you might do with an expensive machine or something but wouldn't be usual with vehicles that you're not hanging on to. You'd end up doing a big negative adjustment on disposal for a vehicle when you can't get the book value for it if depreciated very slowly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭Firblog


    But if fully depreciated over 4 years, how do you account for money you get when you sell it? (after 4 years) Plus I didn't think you could decide the term yourself, why not depreciate over 1 or 2 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,396 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Say you have a van you buy for 40k and write that off over four years you can reduce your profits by 10k per year.

    At the end of year four you now have a van with a book value of zero. You then sell this van during year 5 for 20K.

    Once the van is gone you need to take 40K cost and take 40K depreciation out of the balance sheet in the accounts. Add 20K into the bank account in the balance sheet and add 20K "profit on disposal' to the Income statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    It would be a gain or loss on disposal, sales proceeds less net book value. So that would be added or subtracted from your profit in year of disposal. So yeah it would be over depreciated at 4 years because there will be residual value in a well kept passenger vehicle which would add to your taxable profits in that year.

    You can choose your own depreciation rate based on useful economic life but need to be consistent across years and asset class, can't just change your depreciation policy to suit yourself in a particular year. We always did 4 years on our vehicles, the vast majority are vans which have a tough life and after 4 years when fully paid off have had a reasonably tough life and historically had little value in them. So the 4 year accounts are reasonably close to reality.

    There's 36 vehicles on fleet at the moment so what you're doing with 1 particular vehicle isn't hugely affective to the accounts, if profit on disposal of 1 increases taxable profits there's plenty of new vehicles coming into service and being depreciated to offset it.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


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    Time is contagious, everybody is getting old.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 CryanGame


    Depreciation and Capital Allowances are two different things for tax. All motor vehicles for capital allowances are allowed for tax over 8 years or 12.5% a year. There are some exceptions for energy efficient equipment including electric vehicles. The maximum capital allowance allowed on a non commercial motor vehicle is €24k.

    The Depreciation rates can be set by the company to reflect the useful life of the asset. The amount of depreciation is not allowed for tax but a credit is given for the capital allowances which may not be the same amount as different rates could be used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,433 ✭✭✭markpb


    Model X seem to be very expensive in Ireland compared to the ones in the UK. How much tax/duty would you pay on that one? The closest seems to be the 46k one in Fermanagh that might be VRT exempt?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,119 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    VRT would likely be exempt anyway, it's based on the new OMSP and then a sliding scale of depreciation. I'd imagine even if not it would be in the 40-50k threshold so still reduced.

    Taxes would be 10% +23% on the purchase price plus shipping. So, say it was 28k (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409204262425?sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Tesla&model=Model%20X&postcode=BT82%208AX&seats_values=7&fromsra) so that's 33k euro purchase, plus 500 for shipping. Round up to 34. Then you have ((34k*1.1)*1.23) giving a total landed and registered cost of 46k. Assuming VRT is zero (maybe it's a grand on the top at most)

    Now there are (100% legal) ways and means around the customs + vat bit so I'm hoping to have it for the 34k eur. But that's another story for another day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,119 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Also, just read that one in fermanagh again and it doesnt include VRT in the listed price "

    TOTAL COST FOR IRISH REGISTRATION ADDITIONAL TO VEHICLE PRICE= 3545 EUROS

    "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Yeah another reason I will never buy new again is due to the sheer level of tax on a new car, no thanks !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,828 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,226 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Register it in a “friends” name up north for 3 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,828 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    presume it needs to be left up there with them? then you buy from them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,119 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,318 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Screenshot_20241011-094524.png

    All known public chargers are listed on plugshare app, all brands. The orange ones are 50kW+ and nothing at all listed for Ardkeen. That said Waterford has got lots of new chargers in past few years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Its only a matter of time before they are installed. The fact it's mainly housing estates rather than terraced housing or apartments in the area makes it easier for the locals to charge at home.

    Mind you I'm surprised the hospital and adjacent retail park don't have any fast chargers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,322 ✭✭✭obi604


    Noted.
    yeah, you would imagine with the hospital and Ardkeen with Lidl, Aldi, Ardkeen stores and multiple other shops would have one.

    I’ve passed the new chargers along the quays a lot of times and have never seen a car charging 🤪 🤷‍♀️



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,226 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Buy in UK.
    Register to friend in NI. helps to have some paperwork so a service in your friends name from a NI garage, maybe taxed if cheap enough.

    No need for MOT as car may not be old enough to warrant one. But would help with paperwork if it had one.

    Car could be in RoI the whole time. Doesn’t necessarily have to be parked on your friends drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭Gerrymandering reborn


    Filled up my 1.6 Petrol yesterday. Its showing about 700km range.

    How much would it cost to charge an EV on public charging to get same range?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    Time is contagious, everybody is getting old.



  • Posts: 2,704 [Deleted User]


    Depends on the car, anywhere from about 38 to about 90 euro. It's like asking how much does it cost to do 700km in a VW polo Tdi vs a V12 Land Rover.

    The above is purely based on public charging, but the reality is you get the first circa 3-400km for about 4-5 euro, as you would "fill up" at home on night rate (assuming you can).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,486 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    How much does it cost to fill your 1.6 petrol? @Gerrymandering reborn

    700kms would be two full charges for most 60kwh BEVs - so 120kwh x 60c approx at a public charger (much lower at Tesla chargers). Call it E72?

    From home on an average night rate, maybe 120kwh x 15c approx. Call it E18?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I've 2 EVs, one battery is 150% the size of the other one.

    Smaller EV around 60kwh to go from empty to full would be in the region of 30 to 40 euro to charge fully, 2 charges to get 700kms so 60 to 80 euro.

    204bhp car.

    Bigger one 90kwh so multiply by 1.5 so 90 to 120 euro. Also needs about 2 charges to do 700kms.

    402bhp SUV.

    The smaller one is still cheaper to in charge completely in public than my old A6 2 litre diesel by a little bit. The bigger one is definitely dearer. I'd guess your 1.6 is a bit cheaper than even an efficient EV charged completely on motorway chargers. But you'd be mad to do that anyway

    However you can divide my costs by about 3 for my actual costs charging on my own charger. About 25 euro for 700kms in small EV, 35 or so in the big one.

    The most I've ever paid at a public charger is about 15 euro to get me home to my cheaper home/work charger. That would be on a Dublin to cork same day return type journey.

    No petrol car is cheaper to fuel overall but in public the cost benefit is gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Ok , here's some actual data, average efficiency of my id3 82 Kwh around 74 available was say 18 Kwh / 100 km - 22 Kwh/100km or higher driven harder.

    22 Kwh/100km = 4.54 kwh

    4.54 divide by 700 = 154 Kwh needed to travel 700 kms at average efficiency of 22 kwh/100 km

    Cost at fast charger, ionity is what 65 c/kwh ? = 100 euros to travel 700 kms.

    22 Kwh and even higher wouldn't be uncommon at faster speeds and poorer weather, cold etc.

    However, one of the biggest issues for me was the time to charge, vs queues vs many lower power chargers taking even longer to charge. I couldn't count the hrs I lost due to charging so we ended up taking the diesel for most of the longer trips.

    Considering we have 2 cars, one diesel, I'd have been far better off buying an EV with less Kwh because it was of no real value because we just took the diesel and come time to trade in it was worth absolutely nothing over the id3 with the smallest battery.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,005 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    You don't pay for charging, you feed children to the charger for it to work

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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