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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Because those to whom that description applies have a firm grip on reality.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,355 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    lol quelle surprise the anti-cycling zealot is pro-israel too. you're all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,465 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    I'm pro immigration and pro Israel's right to exist.

    Does that make you my arch nemesis?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,465 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Conflating cycling and Israeli politics, that's a new one 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,355 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    well the pro israel types are usually part of the anti-everything brigade, everything except israel that is



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭TokTik




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,465 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Could perhaps another angle be that even the folks who are anti everything aren't even 'Anti Israel'?

    We're actually a bit of a special case here in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I'd say the majority opinion is anti what Israel is doing now rather than anti Israel. Or anti Israel expanding its illegal settlements but not anti Israel existing. Stealing land and killing kids is generally not a popular opinion in ireland hence we mostly see those supporting these views only doing so online rather than on the streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,355 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i'm not anti israel i just don't like the illegal settlements and what they're doing to neighbouring countries.

    i was referring to the anti-woke brigade who seem to just support israel because they perceive it as woke to stand with palestine. this anti-woke brigade usually hate everything else they consider woke, like cycling. hence you'll see a crossover on sites like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Life goes on after war. Think Germany, Japan.

    The rebuild will take longer than a few years, but Gaza will be rebuilt.

    There's tremendous goodwill from the US and the EU towards the establishment of a Palestinian state, if there was cooperation on the Palestinian side, and it will be the US and EU who fund the rebuild.

    That rebuild will just never happen with a terrorist organisation running the region.

    I'd say a lot of Gazan's think about nothing else but the future and their 'Leaders'. They've been down the 'Freedom Fighter' road too many times now. They know where it leads.

    A UN occupation of Gaza would probably be the best solution for a while, but Hamas has promised to kill them as invading infidels too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    is storm milton the perfect cover distraction for an israeli response to iran's attack

    Israel’s defense minister is being quoted by media in Israel as saying that the next strike against Iran will be “lethal, precise and surprising”.

    Kann News reports that Yoav Gallant added “they won’t understand what happened and how.”

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    A few years ago, the term Zionism was referred to as a dog whistle term. Now the same people that said that throw the word around. It’s absolutely nuts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The only people who refer to zionism as a dog whistle are the people who want anti semitism to be associated with legitimate criticism of Israel. Makes no sense as there are plenty of Jewish people that are anti zionist.

    I feel bad for Jewish people that are against their will associated with the expansioniost policies of Israeli governments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    That seems like like a low bar to achieve. Can you please stop ad hominems?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Something like that. According to Bob Woodward , Joe can't stand Bibi and doesn't trust him at all. Bibi knows he has Joe over a barrel with the election coming up. The only way he could put manners on Bibi is if he threatened to suspend military aid, but he's never going to do this as it would be an open goal for Republicans to cast Joe as soft on terrorism and increase Donald's chances of getting elected in November.I won't be surprised if the IDF go after senior figures in the Iranian regime along with attacking critical infrastructure. If that does happen, it's hard to see how we step back from all out war at that stage. If I am wrong and Bibi is somehow dissuaded from going all out in the Israeli response, some posters here will be heartbroken and may need counselling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    doesn't sound as if soft targets are being considered:

    Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on Wednesday said that the IDF's counter-strike on Iran for its October 1 massive strike on Israel will put the original attack to shame.

    He said, "The Iranian attack was aggressive but inaccurate. In contrast, our attack will be deadly, pinpoint accurate, and most importantly, surprising - they will not know what happened or how it happened. They will just see the results."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Nugget89


    Paschal Donohoe assuring Israel that the Irish government would block the Occupied Terretories bill didn't stay in the news very long. He seems to be completely getting away with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I'd say that Israel has already begun its response; they've decided to donate some missile early warning systems to Ukraine. The relevant part starts at 25:17.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭taratee


    The accuracy of their attacks in Lebanon has been incredible. Nobody can deny that. We all thought that the pager attack was fake news when we heard it first. They've been very accurate on all fronts. The combatant-civilian death ratio in Gaza varies from source to source but pretty much every reputable sources says that it is between 1.5-2.0. The ratio is normally 1:9 ratio i.e. one combatant for every nine civilians according to the UN.

    If Mossad has managed to infiltrate Iran to the same degree, any attack of a similar nature will shake the Iranian regime to it's foundations. If Mossad have managed to infiltrate Iran, you can bet your bottom dollar that the US will have done so also.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    But if the short/medium term plan of Israel is to reoccupy Gaza or a portion of it (as some have stated - Ben Gvir for example), then that further shrinks the tiny space. Rather like what has been going on in the WB for many years - bit by bit, acre by acre. Except obviously Gaza is in the process of being utterly razed. If Gaza is therefore shrunk, how do the previous 2 million Palestinians fit in (of course, up to 186,000 will be dead)?

    Certainly, if Gaza is for the Palestinians, then the peace and security of both the Palestinians and Israelis can only be ensured if whoever is running it is non-terrorist. The PA would appear to be the best fit (currently). And yes - you're right, for those that remain, perhaps they realise Hamas is not the leader they need if they are to have security and peace.

    For the short term, a UN force would help. Replaced in the future by the PA - or similar. If Hamas are utterly gone from Gaza, I don't think the UN would have anything to worry about. But the current population of Gaza could be radicalised in the future on the basis of what is going on today and then the region is back to square one.

    I firmly believe Israel should shoulder a large portion of rebuild costs - not as a punishment but as a payment showing good faith and and investment in their own security and peace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Nugget89




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I don't think the UN would agree to police Gaza. It would probably seem as being an occupying force to the local population. Really I can't see any good after for Gaza. Israelis have no long term plan or the area outside of razing it to the ground. Amazing that the Americans bought into their plan that they could just replace Hamas with a friendly PA government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I am not persecuted in any way. I just dont accept that it is okay for certain people to use certain words when others would be chastised for it purely because they hold a certain opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I used it.

    Referencing something you find terrible as "retarded" is not something I thought would be considered acceptable. If it is, then no problem. I just hope that standard is uniform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,413 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Israel is the barrier to a two state solution in Palestine, not Hamas. The regime freely admits that even if Hamas surrendered tomorrow and laid down its weapons, there's not a hope in hell they would allow a Palestinian state come into existence, now or at any point in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    JEWISH!!!!!!! Ugh, I am not watching that again! ☺️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The PLO and Hamas have come to some agreement about ruling Gaza together.

    That's not going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I took Gallant' s statement to mean just that. I suspect the strike to take out Nasrallah and other senior figures could not have happened without the Iranian military being compromised at a high level. If that is the case no wonder the Ayatollah is on edge. When Gallant mentioned they will be surprised and left to wonder how it happened, may also suggest a stuxnet type 2 event to cripple their energy grid and take the nuclear facilities offline.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭taratee


    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



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