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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I'd rather take the election results which were… 0.42% (lmao) for the far right. Some on here thought it was going to be 75-80%+ in those elections (lmao!!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,641 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Wow.

    Well, colour me surprised, people on the internet with no sympathy for refugees. Shocked I am.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,641 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    And here is an example of the fabrication of posters opinions.

    I haven't seen one single poster advocating for a 'come all ye' immigration policy, but maybe if I'm wrong, you could point out those posts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Sure they are all totally legitimate asylum seekers too, fleeing war and persecution etc. - even when the government and NGO heads admit the vast majority aren't. But we should take them all at massive expense and fill every field, hotel and barn we can find full of people, a huge amount of whom will be reliant on state supports for life. And we'll love it too - because it's only a tiny minority of racist nazi Hitlers that wouldn't. Just look at the overwhelming positives in Sweden!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Ah, it's a basic question but if you can't answer whether u live in Ireland - that means u don't.

    And it makes zero odds to you what numbers Ireland take as u ain't paying for it or your hospitals, creches etc ain't rammed.

    No further questions your honour!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    I don't know anyone here who thought that, most agreed that FFFG would get most of the votes. Just because someone thinks we can't take infinite numbers of AS doesn't make you far right or vote for a far right party. Its depressing to see this thread going the way of the old one with the usual suspects trying to shut down discussion by using far right and racist in their posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Do you believe in placing any limits on the number of AS or just keep building more accommodation?, 22,000 expected this year from only 3,500 a few years. Would you not accept the more we build the more will come and we'll never catch up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,641 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    How can you place limits on AS when the law states that anyone is entitled to claim asylum?

    The claims need to be dealt with much much faster. It's nothing to do with building. There are new IPA centres opening weekly around the country, they're not building them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I don't think "far right" means what you think it does to be honest.

    You keep throwing it out there as if it's some sort of immigration-equivalent to Godwin's Law or a debate-ender, but it's neither.

    The only echo chamber is the one wherin everyone agrees with your position without question, but that's not reality I'm afraid.

    Don't take my word for it - look at the polling results on the topic over even the last 12 months… or are outlets like the Independent, IT and others "far right" too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,716 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Edit ... Not wasting energy on this thread

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    Post edited by SuperBowserWorld on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Ok , so allow unlimited numbers of AS, thanks for clarifying, so no need for anyone in a tent? If they did speed up decisions (currently 68 weeks for a first interview) would you support deportations or would you agree with the regular open borders poster here who believes it would cost too much money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Please, it’s been discussed on this thread and the last how many billions are spent on this racket. Modular homes is a recent example of the preferential treatment one group gets. There are daily examples of services and groups that are neglected. Feel free to read the threads and do your own research instead of demanding examples



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,641 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    The law states everyone is entitled to claim asylum.

    I already agree with deportation.

    I haven't seen anyone saying that they don't agree with deportation, I have seen many posters pointing out the facts that deportations are extremely expensive and we don't have the manpower.

    I haven't seen any posters arguing for open borders, but maybe you could quote those posts, maybe I missed something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,641 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Except those things are not examples of AS or refugees being prioritised for something ahead of Irish nationals.

    Apples and oranges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Didn’t mention open borders but are you not saying that if say 10000 AS arrive next month we would have to accommodate them while we assess their claim

    One poster, you know who, has said deportations are too expensive so no point in trying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It clearly wasn’t a basic question, it was a loaded question, and your reasoning is just as predictable as your earlier making up all sorts of scenarios about people about whom you know nothing. You’d have filled in the blanks anyway so my answer didn’t matter either way.

    You’re not paying for anything either, you pay taxes same as I do, and Government determines the rates at which anyone pays taxes, whether it’s income tax, inheritance tax, corporate taxes, etc, and Government determines how it’s going to spend the income it takes in, and how much income it needs to take in to provide public services like education, welfare, healthcare, housing and so on.

    It makes zero odds to me what numbers Ireland takes in, and it makes zero odds to you too as none of it is coming directly out of my pocket or your pocket, and nobody is being treated any better or worse in terms of most public services anyway - they either meet the criteria for support set by the various Government departments and agencies, or they don’t.

    That public services have historically been underfunded while Ireland enjoyed the benefits of a low tax economy wasn’t something that happened overnight, it was what kept, and still keeps politicians popular, popular enough to be elected anyway, so one trick ponies that have only an immigration policy to speak of will never do well at elections, because that’s all they’ve got, whereas the electorate cares more about a great deal more than just immigration, and cares even less about refugees. They care about the things you mention like hospitals and so on.

    Speaking of which, having had the pleasure of a stay in a public hospital recently (paid for by private health insurance) and I certainly didn’t experience any evidence that the hospital was actually anything like is portrayed in the media, or that the media would have you believe anyway, and I’ve never wanted nor needed the services of a crèche provider. Most crèches in Ireland are run by private services providers, because there too there has been historically speaking a significant lack of Government investment in public childcare services:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-31006981.html


    I mean, you could look at Sweden and Norway, but all you’re likely to see are refugees, hell if you get past that much you’ll probably balk at the significantly higher rates of tax they pay across the board, before you’ll ever recognise the fact that their Governments plough all that tax into providing public services rather than relying as the Irish Government does, so heavily on the private and charity sectors:

    https://taxfoundation.org/blog/scandinavian-social-programs-taxes-2023/


    You might even ask yourself why don’t I go live there then if I think it’s so great? And the simple answer comes back to your earlier reasoning (or one of them anyway), as to why asylum seekers are choosing Ireland over other European countries - ‘tis indeed a question of climate. I don’t fancy the idea of freezing my balls off, though that’s not guaranteed not to happen in Ireland either, it’s just less likely:

    https://www.thejournal.ie/almost-100-refugees-remain-tents-freezing-conditions-5942526-Dec2022/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    If you don’t understand how there seems to be endless pots of money to help one group but not another I don’t know what to tell you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Repro212


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,464 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    There needs to be an AS limit.. say 200k per year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Sweet Jesus!

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    The Jordanian situation is the epitome of all that's wrong with this asylum racket. It is the most obvious one to point to as it's so simply explained. Make no mistake, it is exactly what a huge % of the others have been doing for years - 90% + on this list for instance (red arrow)

    IPAS accom 22 sept 24.jpg

    Earlier this year (Feb) the UK inadvertently opened a loophole by allowing visa free travel to the UK for a small fee (for a short stay) - This loophole was immediately abused with people flying to the UK for a little holiday and then on to Ireland via the CTA to claim asylum. There are no issues in Jordan which would cause people to flee their country looking for asylum. By mid Mar we had 142 here in state accommodation - Now the number is over 2000 in hotels etc and likely a few hundred on the streets

    Simply put, we are being ridden ragged by the rest of the world, aided by a Govt of incompetent idiots and cheered on by some left/hard-left brainwashed loons - Bacik, AO'R, RBB, Cairns, Murphy and their crazy-assed followers and fans - All this as connected cute hoors make vast fortunes off the scam - Yep, it's only the tiny amount of the far-right that could possibly have issues with this



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,270 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    No, it needs to be unrestricted, according to our clowns in government!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,512 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Yep, it's only the tiny amount of the far-right that could possibly have issues with this

    It IS only a tiny amount of far-right have issues with it though, everyone else appears to understand that it’s an unprecedented situation that really hasn’t been handled well, but nobody was prepared for it, so Government are doing what they know - relying again on the private sector who not for a minute do I imagine there’s a hard-lefty or even a lefty among them - they’re eagerly offering their properties and services to Government in the hope of making a guaranteed income for themselves (pretty short-sighted as Government aren’t known for paying on time and will hold out for as long as they can). and then there’s the obvious supply of cheap labour - again not something I’d immediately associate with leftys of any description. The only people who really do have any issues with it are people who imagine that Ireland is their country and they are entitled to say who does and doesn’t belong here.

    It’s not just according to the clowns in Government. I mean, they’re right, but it’s according to international Human Rights Law, is the reason why the numbers are unrestricted in that sense - it would violate international law to announce something like an annual cap on the number of asylum seekers claims processed or granted refugee status. It’d be like suggesting that because prisons are overcrowded, that nobody ought to be found guilty of a criminal offence from October to December as that’s the time when prisons run out of spaces each year, something like that. If the Government follow the UK’s lead, well, we see what that’s led to - increasing numbers of illegal entrants, they don’t even seek to claim asylum any more, they’re just bypassing the legal process entirely in order to be among their own, in a country in which they are entitled to nothing - no welfare support, no housing support, nothing, and people are still prepared and preparing to take that risk.

    That Government aren’t doing a good job handling the numbers of asylum seekers, and that there shouldn’t be further restrictions on asylum seekers applying for refugee status, aren’t conflicting statements. It’s understandable from that article why the people surveyed don’t want an international protection centre opening near them, because it draws attention from far-right types who bring nothing but anarchy, violence, chaos and destruction with them anywhere they turn up:

    Nearly two-thirds of people (63%) in rural Ireland say they are concerned about the rise of the far right.

    It’s pretty much the same phenomenon as is observed in this thread - a tiny number of people are overly concerned about the impact of asylum seekers on society, economy and culture, when in reality they’re actually a tiny, insignificant fraction of the population. Same thing with fears of the far-right - merry band of fcukwits that in reality have no real influence whatsoever in Irish society. The media are happy to blow their influence out of proportion because it generates clicks and sells papers which generates revenue, which is fundamentally all they’re interested in - not far-left, not far-right, themselves is all, and their own survival in an open, competitive market, again, definitely not an idea I’d immediately associate with leftys of any description.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    he’s gone back again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    We are a decade or two behind other countries which is why we are not seeing far right parties gaining huge popularity.

    We are such a small country that I expect we will see it in less than a decade.

    One would hope mainstream parties could do something to prevent the inevitable, but unfortunately unless we hit a recession I don't expect anything to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,317 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The biggest cheerleaders of all this don't want them anywhere near them.

    Bacik and Chui below not wanting them in D4 because of safety concerns, but less affluent areas are fair game.

    Not sure if they ever got in their, if they did it still shows they don't want them near them.

    https://extra.ie/2024/01/06/news/d4-residents-fears-fire-safety-building-refugees

    I can't find the link but again Chui was involved with another cheerleader who had tents removed from their neighbourhood because the area didn't have facilities for them.

    But throwing them in tents along the canal, or who was visiting when they tried to move them into the mountains to get them out of the way.

    Ye sure the mountains have loads more facilities.

    The people in power pushing for this have no interest in them, just want to virtue signal and keep them out of their lives.

    If they want to help these people so much they would be campaigning to bring them into their own neighborhoods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭TokTik


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    Traumatised by being expected to contribute and pay for things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭TokTik


    What law?? Could you point out any law in Ireland that says that??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,251 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I gave my views on that one yesterday (post 89/page 2) While the treatment by officials that she describes and being stalked by another resident are wholly unacceptable and need investigating, fundamentally her issue is that:

    “I came to Ireland to work hard and to build a better life. I did not come here looking for anything other than help in getting a job,”

    In other words, she's not actually a refugee at all. She's an economic migrant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    It's remarkable that she gets stick for wanting to work. If she didn't want to work she'd be getting stick by the same people for not wanting to work. Its quite funny really. Wanting to work is quite normal for most people despite a lot of the musings of many here.



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