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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    It’s not an opinion that an officer of SF (the HR manager) knew about the misleading references and did absolutely nothing about them.

    Exemplary according to you though.

    It’s also not an opinion that Conor Murphy tried to blame the British Heart Foundation for SF’s failings - but SF have been exemplary according to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And you pivot to something else again.
    You said:

    Its only when its about to become public do SF switch into damage control mode and act.

    Which is an 'opinion' of what happened.

    Now here is what I said was 'exemplary'. Read it again as you seem to be having a problem with it and think I said everything they did was exemplary.

    I have absolutely no shame defending what was done in relation to discovering an alleged abuser was working for them and what action was taken when it was discovered references had been written.

    Exactly what should happen and compared to what happened with other reference writers, exemplary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The 'concerned about child safety' folks getting called out directly here.
    The attempt to make this a political football has backfired if reactions online are anything to go by or the sudden loss in interest when it was put to them that they themselves would face scrutiny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Did someone from SF has something to do with this or what is the link?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It relates to SF being called to give account in the Dàil and somebody pointing out the hypocrisy of that by referring to it directly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    It looks more like a Twitter link dump to some solicitors account that you foraged for to deflect and drag this thread off topic.

    In that link dump I do not hear a single thing about the SF and their latest scandal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,887 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    You keep missing the point. The party was made aware of the references when BHF called to question their veracity.
    And they did absolutely nothing about it then - except of course to tell BHF to carry on and accept the false references.


    Fast forward to when it becomes public - and the first response from Conor Murphy is to blame BHF for Sinn Féin’s failing - much like you despicably tried to do as well.

    If the party was so exemplary - then why have Michelle O’Neill and MLMD felt they needed to publicly apologise for the party’s conduct.


    Your behaviour on this thread has been every bit as bad as when the Liam Adams stuff broke. Disgusting stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    He mentions the motion calling on SF to account in the Dàil in his speech and the inherent hypocrisy of calling others to account when your own house is far from in order.

    Hardly had to trawl for it, several accounts are tweeting it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Where does he mention SF? The clip is 2 minutes long I don't hear a single mention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁😁 ok.
    You better scroll past it so if that helps you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Unless you made it up can you just tell me where in that 2 minute link dump was SF mentioned?

    "He mentions the motion calling on SF to account in the Dàil in his speech and the inherent hypocrisy of calling others to account when your own house is far from in order."

    I might have missed it and will be happy to consede if so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Read what I said again.
    What he said relates to a motion in the Dàil calling SF to give an account.
    It is therefore related to current events involving SF.

    Why I wonder don’t you want it mentioned?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I read what you said and quoted it to avoid the rabbit hole or at least thought I did.

    "He mentions the motion calling on SF to accountin the Dàil in his speech and the inherent hypocrisy of calling others to account when your own house is far from in order."

    Now it's changed to "What he said relates to a motion in the Dàil calling SF to give an account."

    I am done with this as everyone else can see just how dishonest you are as a poster, also don't have 18 spare hours per day to debate but I did find the line from PK during the Newstalk interview today with MLMD "How can you run a country when you cannot even run a party" accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think I know why you didn’t want it mentioned. Because it didn’t reflect well on those ‘running’ the country and their hypocrisy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Mention away but why on this thread about SF? Did you think it was a good deflection tactic?

    You latched onto some Twitter dump as deflection which you cannot backup, What's next?

    For a poster who is claims to be non-partisan it's a strange look that you have spent multiple days downplaying this latest scandal from SF.

    This should at least be enough to start to question your gra for the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭JVince


    Quite unbelievable the attempt at deflection by mlmd.

    She thinks a "character reference" has equal weight to an official professional reference to a charity that deals with people including children that are in a vulnerable place due to illness.

    To have senior party members who knew damn well that the person they are giving a reference for is facing serious charges for child molestation, and deciding that there was no need to mention that, is utterly unacceptable.

    Then to find that when the charity found out and effectively made a complaint, that this was glossed over by head of HR in the party.

    Then for leadership to initially say that the charity should have done a better job in their checking, is quite unbelievable.

    GUBU has a new contender.

    Ah but sure it's just the same as a character reference - I can assure you sf don't want to go down THAT rabbit hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is actually a thread about forming a government.
    I also think you might want to research what a twitter dump actually is.

    I posted a tweet with a comment.
    I think what SF did with regard to a suspected abuser was exactly what they should have done. It is not a party where even a suspected abuser is welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,941 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Well not really. You used a link dump you most likely didn't watch to tried to deflect.

    Where was SF mentioned even once in that tweet?

    How does this apply to "a thread about forming a government."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Are you another who brazenly alters what was said to try and be right?

    I said it was ‘related’ to SF. If the motions before the Dàil were not requesting SF to come before it, what were they about?

    Saying as you don’t seem to know those motions ‘related’ to SF are mentioned in the tweet as a sign of the government’s hypocrisy, it’s you who hasn’t listened to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,984 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,984 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    SF is run from Connolly House…. the two ladies are just puppets..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Farrell was re-elected by his constituents who thereby retrospectively endorsed his actions. I have no doubt that in time Granny O'Neill will also be re-elected by the Tyrone Intellectuals so she too will have had her inaction endorsed.

    And life will go on, and the squabbling will continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And it fairly worked Brendan.
    Let they without sin cast the first stone?

    Reports on Morning Ireland (the presenter bizarrely played dumb on who MLMD was talking about in 'other parties' and the reporter didn't name the well known names either) are that FG and FF are at loggerheads over this, FF wanted only SF cross examined (They would wouldn't they, because this is about political capital) and think FG have messed up allowing it to be about all parties.
    MLMD can say SF took action against those who wrote references and FF FG will have to sit there not having taken any action at all with the CC bizarrely chairing the debate or embarrassingly having to get his stand in to do it.

    Fact is, it is now a political football (FG FF and others are not really interested in victims and child safety) and in those terms, MLMD just scored in injury time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭JVince


    It is now being suggested that the sf HR manager DID bring this to the attention of more senior party members.

    If that is confirmed, then mlmd will certainly look very foolish.

    This HR manager who no longer works in sf (nothing untoward) held the disciplinary hearing and made dismissal decision on McMonagle, so would have known the seriousness of the issue and is very likely to have brought it to the attention of senior party members.

    And that is likely to be found out very soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,984 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Wouldn't be too sure about that mr Vince, SF have this penchant for being quite obtuse in allowing any info they don't like

    to see the light of day. Their army of keyboard warriors are a prime example as you can surely see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    MLMD has walked herself into a trap. A broader debate will have Aine Adams, Mairia Cahill and Paudie McGahon sitting in the Visitors Gallery of the Dail, giving interviews about what MLMD says or doesn't say about their experiences.

    Car crash stuff from SF.

    The handling of child abuse cases by Sinn Fein has been as far from exemplary as it is possible to be. Anyone that would call SF exemplary for any aspect of the handling of child abuse is displaying the lowest possible morals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Where is this being suggested? Do you have a source or is it more right-wing kite flying?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,798 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And also sitting there will be the victims who rejected the excuses of the CC listening to FF, the victim assaulted with a chocolate bar by somebody in the Oireachtas will also be there listening to FG, as will the victims of the abuser Charlie Flanagan proudly wanted to be treated leniently etc etc etc.
    And through it all MLMD will be able to say - 'We dealt with an abuser and we dealt with reference writers, what did you people do about it?'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I haven't seen it suggested, but I would be absolutely amazed if the most senior leadership hadn't been informed. Let's remember, both the Head of Communications and the Head of HR, two of the most senior people in any organisation, knew that he had got references from Sinn Fein. That nobody else knew in senior management is not believable.

    More will come out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://sluggerotoole.com/2024/10/09/in-the-dail-sinn-fein-leadership-still-trying-to-deflect-as-further-details-emerge-on-mcmonagles-access-to-stormont/

    "As is clear from the interchange in the Dáil yesterday it continues to deflect attention from its own shortcomings in this regard onto others rather than taking ownership of its own serious issues in this regard. As they’ve found in the north, it won’t work.

    Worse, it sends out a self harming message that the party is a safe haven for behaviour no one wants their party embroiled in. If the party cannot investigate itself it may fall to parliament to call a commission of investigation to turn over some heavy rocks."

    Taking ownership is key, as this article states. MLMD has failed to do that, threatening all and sundry around her. She is not fit for leadership and SF is not fit for government. These events have displayed that all too clearly.



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