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Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power [Amazon] *Spoilers*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Watched first 3 episodes over the weekend, surprised they are so long.

    Celebrimbor being played like a flute by Sauron is a bit daft.

    The messaging system to Lindon needs an upgrade.

    Orcs turning against Sauron in favour of Adar makes little sense too but the whole thing is makey uppey so roll with it.

    Happy meteorite Gandalf buggered off in the twister with the Harfoots.

    Should be getting some action soon once the elf troop reach Eregion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Hard thread to find this, buried on page 5, maybe cause the title should be Rings of Power but I digress.

    Episode 7 is the one we waited for, the whole 100 million is up there, it's Hardhome/Helms Deep/Battle of the Bastards good.

    Only problem is will have to pay for that next week with Hardfoot & Blind Queen dirge but it was worth it for that one episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,755 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Definitely a great piece of television. The Celebrimbor actor was fantastic, and Charlie Vickers has been more than admirable as Sauron this season.

    I saw some criticism of humanising the Orcs but I don't mind it. They're definitely building up to a point of no return for them and Addar, which Sauron will seize upon.

    All in all so far it's exactly the same as Season 1, strong in parts, weak in others. A slow burn season is no problem as long as you're invested in everything, which unfortunately isn't the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There seemed to be a lack of co-ordination with the Elves… Elrond was still fighting and defending the wall but it seemed like Galadriel had made contact and everyone except a skeleton crew had fled? I suppose you could chalk it up to the chaos of war.

    Also, Sauron's levels of power seems off the scale… to be able to mind control multiple Elves at the same time into suicide attacks like that. That is beyond anything I can recall from any of the books.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Sauron is supposed to have literally awesome powers that grow as he gets stronger.

    He is one of the Maiar but far more powerful than the wizards for example - that’s why they all fear him so much.

    He is the source of all evil in Middle Earth and has the powers to match it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I know he is a Maiar and has 'raw' power, not veiled like the wizards but even then… I don't recall that level of power in the Silmarillion or book appendices. It does mention 'shape shifter' but doesn't detail out if that is a genuine change of shape or merely projecting that appearance. I suppose you could spin that into, he is deceiving someone else and they see an enemy and attack.

    And he is not the source of all evil in Middle Earth, that was Morgoth.

    "Sauron gathered under his government all the evil things of the days of Morgoth that remained on earth or beneath it."

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭Tefral


    He doesn't, sure he runs away from the Numenorians when they do decide to go after him. He is certainly powerful in that he was immortal and had unbelievable strength. He was originally Aules Maiar, Melkor only managed to get him to come to his side with the promise of order. I guess that's where he learned his skill in manipulation. Maybe they are going one step further with this manipulation to include physical manipulation.

    You can surmise his power wasn't all too powerful either, as he never managed to get the Balrogs to follow him (also Maiar).

    I am trying my hardest to like this and giving it the benefit of the doubt on the basis, they actually only have the rights to the Appendices of the Lord of the Rings. Thats the sum of about 40 pages. The amount they have to flesh out and fill in to make a story is unreal. They would have been better served at least getting permission to use the Second Age material from the Silmarillion or his letters. You can see how hamstrung they are as the story isnt too deep!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,755 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I find if you're trying to tie things together against the book, the enjoyment of it wanes. I'm trying not to think about the lore and just trying to enjoy it as a piece of television. To me it's good television for the most part.

    I've a similar mentality towards AMC's Interview With The Vampire.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    nope. He was put to sleep by Luthien singing and needed help control Beren.

    Tolkien isn't Dungeons and Dragons. There are no power levels.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,295 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    There are power levels for sure.
    For one thing, power levels are what the “rings of power” are all about?

    Also, the Maiar have levels of power that far exceed an average hobbit,man, dwarf or elf.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Nope. Sauron was beaten by Gil Galad and Elendil in hand to hand combat. A man and an Elf.

    He was sung to sleep by Luthien when she was rescuing Beren. Luthien was half Maia and half elf.

    Sauron bent the knee to Ar Pharazon. A man.

    The “Rings of Power” are completely ignoring the Tolkien lore. It’s a load of shite.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭Tefral


    You have to have context though, they don't have the rights to any of that… Literally just the 3 Books (collectively "The Lord of the Rings" and the appendices of the Lord of the Rings. Nothing else. If it doesnt show up here, they cannot use any reference to items within the Silmarillion or Beren and Luthien etc…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They dont have to directly reference it. Use it as a baseline.

    Even without that background a Sauron this powerful is less dramatically interesting to me.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,214 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I don’t want them mentioning it. I want them to use it to inform the story

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,594 ✭✭✭corkie


    Well end of the season! (I think).

    Not really much, when you think about it, happened this season. Re use of scripts and dialogue from the lord the rings to try and put a message across. Going as far as calling Sauron 'Lord of the rings' in this episode today.

    Don't believe I could recommend it to anyone thinking of binge watching?

    The Grand Elf turns into Gandalf

    Finally we come to The Stranger and his journey. By the end, he's called Grand Elf, and shortens it to Gandalf. He also finds the staff we've become so used to seeing. He survives the one called the Dark Wizard who proposes the rule Middle-earth together.

    McKay & Payne have set the stage for Season Three, and are deep in the writing even though Amazon hasn’t yet delivered a green light that seems an inevitable announcement just up the road.

    https://deadline.com/2024/10/lord-of-the-rings-series-finale-shocking-deaths-birth-of-grand-elf-sauron-rise-to-rule-middle-earth-1236106572/

    Spoilers in the title so didn't use them above.

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭jones


    I thought it was great. Looking forward to season 3



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭CiaranW




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Dogsdodogsstuff


    Me too, I enjoyed it, actually just feels like it’s getting going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Relikk


    Awful stuff. Fanfiction shouldn't ever be made "professionally" and distributed on such a scale, but I think I'm more happy about the fact that it's finished for another year or two so I don't have to see people talking about it online, more so from the oddballs who think it's good. I'd be happier again if it was cancelled. It really should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭jones


    I never understand this logic. If you hate it why watch it? (I'm assuming you've watched it as your saying it's awful).

    If your not watching it why give a **** if it's still running if your not watching it? The discourse over this show is bonkers. There's plenty of stuff I've no interest in but don't give a fiddlers if other people watch it and enjoy it.

    My two cents.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    I ordered this product on amazon.com but was dissappointed when it arrived in a wish.com package. It is kind of similar to the product I ordered, but there are bits missing and it came with a several parts that clearly belong to a different product.

    I contacted amazon's returns department but they just sent me the same defective product again. I dont even understand the instructions and it gives me a headache.

    Overall, I give this product 1 gand out of 5.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    I loved that finale. Brilliant hour of tv. Way better second season. It's starting to find it's feet so hopefully not cancelled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Relikk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    much better second season. Still wildly uneven though, hopefully that’s the end of the hobbits but it won’t be.

    Last episode felt rushed, really could do with 10 episodes per season I think. The kingsmen and the faithful storyline really suffers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,755 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I enjoyed it honestly throughout this season.

    I was smiling ear to ear when the boys started singing at the end. Would have preferred that to end the finale as the final scene.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,114 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    That season done nothing for me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,543 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    The last thing this show needs is more episodes. The pace is absolutely glacial.

    They’ve had about 8 movies worth of time so far and covered such an insignificant amount of plot. I really don’t understand what they’re doing or who this show is for, outside of Jeff Bezos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,694 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    maybe just cut the hobbits and it would free up time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They're already… halflings…
    :)

    Yeah, I think I was fast forwarding through some of their stuff especially in S1.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,543 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    I'm curious as to how many pages of the original Appendices they've actually covered in these 2 seasons. It's years (maybe even a couple of decades) since I've read them but from my hazy recollections they've hardly covered any ground.



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