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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Betting markets tell you what gambler thinks - not what voters think. They are useless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    For what it's worth, ref Stein's "lesser of two evils" comment on the GOP and the Dems, I'd say she was referring to the present Middle-East war between Israel and Iran specifically as neither US party can be a solver or peace mediator in that fight without a joint invitation from both countries and not which party is the better party for the US. She sees them as continuing their inter-party row regardless of the outcome of the Nov election which is no help to the US itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    So we just reverting back to you not having opinions? I've pointed to numerous elements of the GOP going after civil liberties, would you agree they are?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    and there’s also skewed by how much money people are putting down, a billionaire like eg. Elon Musk could put a huge bet in and cause a huge shift in the betting market but on election day Elon Musk only has a single ballot in Texas. And using E1 in this example, Elon Musk has shown a propensity to throw tens of billions of dollars away at something without any sense of fiduciary responsibility. See Twitter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Kamala is supposedly polling badly with Latinos, men, older people, is losing support from women, unions and younger people... and still she is ahead in the polls?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,014 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The real argument for Trump doesn't come from a place of logic and good faith argument. It's too dark and gutteral for that.

    The centrists' masks will drop if Trump indeed wins because they'll no longer feel compelled to defend their position since they could just gloat about the reality that Trump (crazier, more vengeful) would be president of the US and everyone will just have to deal with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    He doesn't seem to have, I've been watching the polymarket this evening and Trump has added about 50 million in bets since about 5pm. There was no whale of a bet from what I can see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    And yet there is no way to actually tell (I only use Elon as an example of a billionaire), any large spender could make hundreds of smaller bets vs. one massive one. Your own stated history of winning and losing on the last 2 presidential election cycles show that betting isn't a predictor of the electoral outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,258 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Its all very odd indeed . I think its a reaction to the yougov poll today and their is that sneaky suspicion that Trump as he did in 2016 and 2020 will outperform the polls.

    Harris on that site still has a 46% chance of winning so not exactly doomed just yet, she was favored the other week.

    I think we probably will have another few flips before the big day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭badabing106


    Betting markets are more reliable than polls

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/07/13/smr-latest-betting-odds-on-2024.cnn



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭badabing106


    Betting markets are better predictors than polls

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/07/13/smr-latest-betting-odds-on-2024.cnn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Neither betting odds or polling offer the most accurate way for predicting. Betting odds for Brexit and Trump winning in 2016 wrong, were you all for what the odds were back then?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    here’s the thing, the beta are a reaction to the polling. Trump is leading in Ga, Az and NC. Harris lead in Pa is narrowing. So the trend is towards Trump.

    People watching the actual data behind the polls are betting on Trump.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Meanwhile seeing pretty good feedback on her sixty minutes interview. Trump refused to do one cause they fact check... 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Trump refused to do one cause they fact check

    Which has to be one of the most cowardly and weak positions I've ever seen anyone in politics take.

    "I don't wanna do interviews or debates cos someone might prove me wrong".

    That's the kind of weak, lilly livered, pussy that some people want as a President?

    Fkn' ell

    How is someone like that supposed to operate on the world stage of politics when they're terrified that their claims are subject to scrutiny?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Things are so bad that even Laura Inghram was fact checking him in an interview



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That's because all he has is outlandish claims, hyperbole, conspiracies, insults, bullshit and lies.

    And such things should be subject to, at least, fact checking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,378 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That whole MAGA propaganda rubbish about Harris avoiding interviews aged well.

    Pretty obvious it was an entirely bad faith line of attack as suddenly Trump gets a free pass for doing exactly the things they accused Harris of.

    And not the first time we've seen such hypocritical lines of attack.

    Rinse and repeat.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    So disheartening America looks like it’s going to vote in a person as president who doesn’t like being questioned for the truth so just avoids interviews.


    The future is looking grim.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Places like polymarket aren't an accurate reflection - They don't just pay out on the actual result of the election , they pay out every single day should you wish to.

    It's a stock market to all intents and purposes - So people can "bet" on either candidate being in the lead or at a specific % share and cash out based on that.

    So there's lots of movement driven exclusively by people effectively "shorting" the current rankings and loading bets to push the number in a specific direction.

    It's got little to do with who they think might actually win.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,028 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It's the 64M people question.

    It's astounding. And as well as all this, there's the fact that so so many of the people who worked for him in his administration are actively calling on people to not vote for him again.

    If the polls are wrong, it's more likely to be a landslide for Harris than a victory for Trump. And yet….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,743 ✭✭✭threeball


    Regardless of who wins the election, America as a country is done. When you get 50% of the population that are so dumb they either can't see or refuse to see someone like Trump for what he is then the fat lady is belting out the final bars.

    Europe really need to get their ass in gear and prepare ourselves to take up some of the mantle or you can hand the keys over to China, who'll do as they please. There's a pretty strong chance the United States of America won't be united in 20yrs time if Trump wins and implements Project 2025.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Musk seems like he might be breaking the law with this one.

    Offering $47 (an oddly specific number) to registered voters who refer a friend to an alleged 1st/2nd Amendment petition that captures all their info and then tries to get them to register to vote - But only in 7 key swing states.

    “For every person you refer who is a swing state voter, you get $47!” Musk wrote in a post on X, the social media site he owns. “Easy money.” If Trump is elected, he would be the 47th president of the U.S.

    The petition declares that its signers support “First and Second Amendment rights,” but it contains no details about who the petition will be delivered to, or when, or any demands that the signers have, all core elements of traditional petitions.

    Instead, the petition seeks the personal contact information of swing-state voters. Upon signing, all users, regardless of their state, are directed to a page that contains voter registration links for just seven states: Pennsylvania, Georgia, North Carolina, Nevada, Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin.

    It's paying people to get others to register to vote, Surely that can't be legal??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,023 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    For every bet there has to be one on the other side if i'm understanding it correclty, for example, to buy Kamala winnning all 6 swing states is 18cent, so somone one the other side has to cover that bet with a no which is currently 85cent, the spread is 3 cent. So in effect you can make 15cent on every 100cent just by covering the yes bets if you hold out until the results are in.

    I'd say you can also make money by just putting up the difference in the spreads so there's 3cent there to be had just to cover bets.

    I'd agree it's not a reflection of who's goign to win or loose, it's more like betting on oil prices where you're hedging both sides.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Coward in chief

    Warned and 1 week forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I confess to knowing absolutely nothing about gambling , but when I heard that payouts were possible before the election I just felt that its accuracy as a predictor was significantly reduced.

    People can bet that Harris or Trump will be ahead at midnight tonight for example and get a payout based on that outcome - Obviously people need to take the other side of the bet , but the fact that there's money to be made on anything other than the actual result of the election just makes it a much less reliable predictor in my view as people could pile in on one side or the other to get the specific short term payout they are seeking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    I see you're drinking a lot of the Democratic Kool-Aid by believing this nonsense about Project 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd say it's a hell of a lot more plausible than the posters raving about the deep state and Haitians eating dogs..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,026 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Great ...would you be okay with Democrats implementing/copying project 2025 if they win in November ?



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