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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like France will continue to send weapons to Israel after the public scolding and French petrol stations were blown up last night.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭batman75


    I think we might see an Israeli attack on Iran overnight given that tomorrow is October 7 marking one year since Hamas incursion into Israel and subsequent massacre. It's curious how the U.S. is not able to bring itself to condemn Israeli genocide and mass killings in both Gaza and now Beirut/Lebanon. It confirms that the Israeli lobby has U.S. politics by the balls. Also confirming that the U.S. is not an honest broker in the middle east.

    Netanyahu doesn't give a fiddle about the hostages. They can locate key Hezbollah people but not the hostages. I smell bs there right away. Netanyahu is the modern Hitler. A monster of epic proportions. It's always been said he was behind the killing of Yizhak Rabin as the latter was genuinely in favour of a two state solution. Netanyahu want's an ethnically pure Jewish state from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea. He hates the Arabs as Hitler did the Jews.

    What's deeply troubling and desponding is the unwavering backing of the U.S. That's unlikely to change anytime soon. Though the polls seem to suggest that younger voters have empathy and sympathy with the Palestinian people and are repulsed by Israel's actions.

    If Iran does strike back after a second Israeli attack then i think it will be substantial and may sadly lead to civilian deaths even if inadvertently. Hezbollah is not going to let Israel return it's citizens to the north unless Gaza is resolved to it's satisfaction.

    As much as I hate Netanyahu I have utter contempt for Biden. He too is a monster for allowing Netanyahu a free hand to commit genocide. I don't know why he bothers going to church. People have ridiculed my idea of a Palestinian state from the river to the sea whereby Jews and Arabs are afforded equal rights in law. A two state solution won't work. The Israeli political system is filled with two many rabid people to allow a free and fair Palestinian state existing alongside Israel.

    Israel as it currently exists cannot be allowed to continue. The people have been indoctrinated to view Arabs as sub human and not as equals. It's what allows them to both commit and support a genocide. I have no desire to see Israeli's expelled from Israel but the country in which they live must be dissolved and a new entity formed which allows both Jews and Arabs to exist as equals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭TokTik


    You seem very bogged down on hurty words against israel rather than literal children being slaughtered by israel daily.

    Weird flex



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    The US has reportedly offered Israel a "compensation package" if it refrains from attacking certain targets in Iran, according to a report in Kan11 on Sunday.

    Looks like iranian targets still being discussed by US...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Huh?

    They are not there to protect Israel or Hezbollah.

    This isn't very hard understand, I already told you primarily what they are for.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,461 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Well,

    Maybe the Americans are not playing ball with the Israelis or maybe Israel is doing smoke and mirrors

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Says who?

    Given that nearly all schools in Gaza have been bombed, probably the last place any Hamas would hide would be a school?

    Seriously maybe indulge in a bit of critical thought instead of swallowing whatever the regime are shovelling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,862 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    You shouldn't have to bribe an ally. Can see biden totally frustrated with bibi now, but too little too late. Bibi probably wants to continue the fighting into next year in the hope Harris doesn't get elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Not what I said though. Their role was supposedly to keep the peace, and to accompany the Lebanese Forces (not Hezbollah) in taking control of the Lebanese border. They've completely failed to do that, so it's not now their role to stop Israel from doing one part of what they've failed to do, namely, ensure that the Lebanese forces control the border with Israel, thus ensuring the safety of Israeli citizens, which would in turn ensure the safety of Lebanese citizens because if UNIFIL had made any real effort to stop Hezbollah from firing rockets into Israel, the IDF woudl not now be attacking Lebanon.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Anti-Semitic tropes exist.

    Racist tropes exist.

    Anti-Irish tropes exist. Check ‘Punch’ magazine for anti-Irish sentiment in 18th century Britain, for example.  It’s all unacceptable in this day and age.

    If you had read my initial  post you would have seen me list numerous well known anti-Semitic tropes that he chose to regurgitate.

    If he chooses to deploy these tropes then he’s anti-Semitic. It’s pretty cut and dry.

    Or maybe you prefer to insist that the notion that the Jews rule the world is not in fact tiresome anti-Semitism, but actual factual reality.

    If you hadn’t spotted his antisemitism, and it’s blindingly obvious, well, your intellect clearly isn’t where you think it to be.

    If aren’t aware of what antisemitism is, then I suggest  you go and go educate yourself.

    You’re not anti-Semitic for making your statement, btw.

    Just a bit lame.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    From what I have read on the situation there, Hezbollah defacto has control over the area, and far from being stood down and replaced by Lebanese military as per the UN resolution it is active and armed to the teeth.

    Which the command report to the UN as they are mandated to.

    But it's not up for debate, they are mandated to protect the border and the civilians by armed aggression if that have to.

    It is the reason they are there.

    What should happen is if the UN hierarchy continue with it's gross cowardice and wanton endangerment of their own troops, Ireland should recall their troops immediately and no longer indulge the theatre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Their role was supposedly to keep the peace

    Their role is clearly defined in their mandate.

    You making up scenarios or new mandates doesn't change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    usually its expected to back an ally that has been hit by 200 or so ballistic missiles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Maybe the Americans are not playing ball with the Israelis or maybe Israel is doing smoke and mirrors

    Not just the Americans.

    China more or less imports all of Iran's oil.

    Israel may think it can act with impunity but I imagine certain back channel communications this week suggested they can't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think you are trying to appear highly intelligent but you're not actually making a coherent point. Spit out what you are trying to say. I am sure it's just another flavour of the same tired old anti-Semitic ding dong to cloud over criticism of genocide.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,862 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    They have for the last year. But why should they support them in every military exercise? They are fighting on two fronts already, slaughtering 10s of thousands why should the US support them in attacking Iran? Why should the US pay them to stop after all the support they have already provided? Israel just seems like a bad ally to the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,963 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I don't agree.

    Those who condemn Israel's methods of waging war (genocide and war crimes) equally condemn Hamas/hezbollah terrorists for their abhorrent actions.

    The Israelis and its supporters are eager to point out anyone who omits such a condemnation, even the President of Ireland was vilified for it.

    So, now, to ensure no possibility of being targeted as a"Hamas sympathiser", people are at pains to ensure there is no doubt as to their condemnation.

    It's tiresome to be honest and when asking pro- Israelis if they condemn the brutal murder of children, it's crickets.

    Even Gantz, who wrote the article you quoted was silent on Palestinian civilian deaths. And he resigned over the Israeli methods of war… speaks volumes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You are overthinking it, most people including Irish people just don't like seeing 10s of 1000s of people murdered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,214 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The Biden administration said months a go they do not want Israel to attack Iran. Basically "if you do it, you're on your own".

    The evidence today suggests that hasn't changed and the US is trying to get them to back down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I am aware of what anti-Semitism is, and like other apologists you aren't as clever as you think you are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,963 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    @TheValeyard


    It's interesting and thanks for the post.

    On the basis of Biden publicly ruling out nuclear facilities and oil infrastructure/storage, I'm not sure what else, other than military targets, Israel could attack. And as mentioned by another poster earlier, that alone would not give the locals a reason to rise up and topple the regime. So perhaps the US see no gain for Israel and only see further escalation.

    Also, since Iran has not directly attacked Israel since the 200 missiles were launched, perhaps (and with actually asking them) the US are satisfied Iran currently has no intention of any further action. Unless attacked.

    I suspect there's may be lot of negotiation and diplomacy going on - perhaps the US demanding, and Iran agreeing, no further attacks from Iran and the US would prevent any direct Israeli attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,963 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    @volchitsa

    What efforts do you think the UN peacekeepers should expend to prevent rockets being fired over their heads - presumably some, possibly many, being fired from outside the UNFIL area of control?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Have you any proof of there being Hamas there? An independent source and please make sure that it doesn't come from Israeli sources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You can bet your life that the US is playing both sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The Irish government criticising Israel is not tantamount to anti semitism. What it is Simon seeing which way the wind blows.

    Furthermore if the IDF kill Irish Peacekeepers they are ones to blame not the Irish government or some Marxist arsehole in the aras because they dared to criticise Israel for violating international law. We get it your unwavering devotion to Israel means you will defend them no matter what they do, even if that includes killing Irish people. They have done it before after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    With words BUT after they have supplied them with the weapons to attack Iran. The US has skin in both camps as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    If they were smart they would be dangling a carrot and a stick to Iran. Some posters would prefer just the stick as they are keen for a war with Iran like their friend Bibi. They will be down in the dumps if there isn't a regional war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Israel would definitely not like to see the US and Iran in friendly talks anyway. It would seriously undermine them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,251 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    For got to include this -

    https://apnews.com/article/iran-nuclear-deal-khamenei-us-tensions-bc11763f45041ac84171ebc3866f1273



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I'm not sure carrot and stick works here. The US cant really offer any carrots. Domestically to be seen to do so is completely forbidden due to the influence of the zionist lobby. And the US is widely seen as non-agreement capable. Any agreement which the US enters into is liable to be cancelled with no cause at any time that is expedient to the US: witness the US-Iranian nuclear deal which was agreed with one president and cancelled by the next.

    As for stick, the US cant really threaten the Iranians with anything. More sanctions? Iran is already one of the - if not the - most sanctioned countries in the world and it's still developing. War? The US absolutely does not want war with Iran.

    It's not really necessary anyway - all Iran wants is for israel to cease attacking Iran and Iranians. If israel would stop massacring Palestinians and Lebanese civilians, that would be great too. The US can accomplish all that by using the stick with israel. israel is the country that needs to be restrained by the US, not Iran.



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