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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The Russians are not storming around Ukraine, they have been bogged down with years.

    Why would we think Irans military are more competent than Russias. They have a lot of missiles but in an actual war loads of them would be blown up on the ground in the first few days plus any capacity to replace them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Well we will know soon enough

    Personally I think Iran won't even have the cranes it uses to hang gays left after a few days of war.

    Those marching every Saturday can fill that niche but that won't stop Israel.

    Flight paths in Iran closed from 9 pm tonight, their time.

    There will probably be an Iranian response as soon as they detect Israeli planes flying towards them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


     He interesting to see if any posters would shift their opinion on israels actions if they do kill an Irish soldier

    I severely doubt it.

    If over 11,000 children slaughtered isn't going to shift an opinion I doubt anything will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Ui

    About a third of the population are hardcore religious regime fanatics, the rest vary from dislike to outright hatred, especially among the smaller Mish mash of ethnic groups.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Only one apparent surface explosion though. Either the Iranian missiles don’t work well, or what look like missiles coming down which are missed might be debris from Arrow intercepts, and the Sling is shooting at things which aren’t visible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    operational disruption announced to flights in iran from 9pm tonight till about 6am tomorrow morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I am not sure why people are giving such a whiff of Wunderwaffe to Iran's missiles.

    Yes they have them. Yes they could do damage. Yes Israel can't shoot down 100% of them.

    But ballistic missiles won't win a war alone, and that's not even getting into the fact that Israel would target launch sites as a priority, has a massively superior air force and defense systems, Iran doesn't have the capacity to protect and sustain its facilities/production, etc.

    Russia's been firing ballistic missiles against Ukraine since 2022, Ukraine's military is nowhere near as powerful/technologically capable as Israel's, and Ukraine isn't even able to strike back either.

    Around 30 missiles hit one air base in the Iranian attack and did absolutely minimal damage. The idea that they are some sort of war-winning weapon in isolation is ridiculous.

    It is in neither Iran or Israel's interests for a bigger war to break out, but the cards would be heavily in Israel's favor. Neither side is going to "win" a long range war arguably but Israel can most certainly cause far more damage.

    Israel doesn't need "magical" F35s by the way. It has a modern and very well equipped air force. Iran's is a flying museum with a handful of planes from decades ago.

    And for people who seem to think that air power doesn't matter, look what has happened Russia in Ukraine after being unable to gain air superiority. Look at what happened the Iraqi army in both Gulf Wars due to total air superiority.

    I'm frankly amazed at the level of faith people on Boards.ie have in the Iranian military. It genuinely defies logic. I doubt even the Iranian people themselves buy into the hype as much as some posters here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    She was previousoy dropped from the SDs because they felt her views in Gaza werent compatible with the party. Exactly what view of the situation in Gaza do you think she had that was incompatible with the Social Democrets? She objected to the use of Palestinian flags at SD events. I guess she did thet becuase she's so outraged at how the people of Gaza are being treated. 🙄

    Instead of coming out an expressing how difficult it was for Israelis and Jews in Ireland and how people shouldn't view then as the same, she instead wanted SD to get rid of Palestinian flags. Very clear what her real view on the genocide being carried out was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    100% noticed this bias but I didn't want to make the genocide about religion because I think all religions are complete nonsense and cause nothing but hate. However it would appear criticising Israel's disproportionate actions is anti-Semitic whereas Israel's murderous genocide campaign is not anti-Islam. It just war. Am I doing this right?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I think most adults understand there's a pretty big spectrum of opinion between "I absolutely 100 percent do not agree with anything Israel does" and "I wholeheartedly support genocide".

    I don't know what her stance is, though she's vocally said she doesn't agree with what's happening, but you immediately jumped to "She's a genocide fanatic and Ireland's better off without her".

    Now you can privately ask yourself if that's fair or not and if there's even any hint of bias/discrimination informing that comment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Oft vaunted neutrality of ours?

    Jean-Pierre Lacroix is in charge of UN peace keeping missions and as you can guess by the name he ain't Irish and he ain't from a neutral country.

    You posting on here as if Irish UN peace keepers are some sort of Hezbollah sympathising armed force is in keeping with the smearing attitude you display when you post about Irish politics and society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I agree with all of that. What I meant though was that if their "peacekeeping" job of protecting civilians does not include any action on protecting Israeli civilians from deliberate Hezbollah airstrikes on Israel using rockets, then they can hardly be neutral if it does involve any prevention of Israelis doing the same to Hezbollah on the grounds that Lebanese civilians are in the line of fire. I mean, what was the alleged military target when a bunch of Druze kids playing football were killed by Hezbollah rockets in July?

    There would be no IDF ground troops in Lebanon if UNIFIL had made any attempt to stop Hezbollah firing rockets at Israeli towns and villages. And yes I agree that's not the fault of the Irish troops themselves - but it's the result of putting troops there and pretending that they have a useful peacekeeping job to do and the means to do it, when in fact, in practice they have neither.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Nugget89


    I'm a bit confused by this. You say yourself that she's targeted for being Israeli, which I can imagine does happen these days. So it's not about her religion? So it's not anti semitism?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Augme


    I don't need to ask myself privately. People who think Irish people and political parties should be banned from displaying Palestinian flags should not be welcome in Ireland and if the people who have those views are leaving Ireland then I thinks it brilliant news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Wait - so if someone is Israeli - as opposed to Jewish - it's fine to blame her is it? Is this a general rule? Can we blame all English people for Bloody Sunday now? And they can presumably blame us for Canary Wharf and the Warrington bombing?

    But in any case, there are Irish people who are of the Jewish faith who are equally subject to harassment in Ireland because of the current conflict. Given that they don't vote in Israel, would you agree that that is antisemitism?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You missed the bit were Hamas terrorists were there as well. Of course that doesn't suit the narrative



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Nugget89


    What are you waffling on about. I asked a straightforward question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭Homelander


    That view is fine. I don't think anyone has any issue with someone expressing that opinion.

    But calling someone a "genocide fanatic" is quite different to that.

    If someone says they support the right to form armed resistance against Israel, you wouldn't automatically label them a Jihadi terror fanatic and assume they wholeheartedly endorse what happened on October 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I'm not blaming them (the UN force) for the situation, but any articles I have read about it recently do say a part of the mission is to help ensure area is kept free of military forces other than the Lebanese army (their country) and the peacekeeping force itself.

    See wiki:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Interim_Force_in_Lebanon

    and

    https://unifil.unmissions.org/unifil-mandate

    which seem to confirm what I thought (below 2 points…)

    "Accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the South, including along the Blue Line, as Israel withdraws its armed forces from Lebanon."

    "Coordinate its activities referred to in the preceding paragraph (above) with the Government of Lebanon and the Government of Israel."

    "Assist the Lebanese Armed Forces (LAF) in taking steps towards the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL deployed in this area."

    From what I have read on the situation there, Hezbollah defacto has control over the area, and far from being stood down and replaced by Lebanese military as per the UN resolution it is active and armed to the teeth.

    Anyway to get back onto main point of your posts about it (role of UN peacekeepers there), what I wonder in practice what can be done now that war has broken out (other than the UN forces hunkering down)? Like, what would you want to see the UN soldiers on the ground do about it (to protect civilians)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,473 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I asked a fairly easy question yesterday which clearly didn't suit your narrative. No response is very telling.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I didn't make the original point, so I can't answer that question - I'll let that poster do that.

    I was just struck by the fact that you seem to think that it would be acceptable to blame an Israeli person, rather than a Jewish Irish person, for the IDF's actions in Gaza, and I wondered whether you applied that logic closer to home.

    I mean, if that's not why you asked whether the person referred to was Israeli, what exactly was your point?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    In fairness, it seems that any expression of negativity towards Israel for the past 12 months has resulted in being labelled either a Hamas supporter or anti-Semitic or both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭SeanW


    I do find it … interesting how a country that in living memory elected Oliver J. Flanagan to the Dail, just happens now to be insanely preoccupied with the worlds only Jewish state. Which just happens to be a refuge for nearly half of the Jewish people, a country smaller than Albania or Djibouti, and which is constantly under attack - in this era by Iran and its axis of nasties.

    It does make one wonder if certain traditional attitudes to Jews from recent history have simply morphed to be about "Israel"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 285 ✭✭Nugget89


    My point was just that it's being labeled wrong. It's not antisemitism, it's xenophobia. I'm not defending it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,993 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    If I understand the electoral system correctly, I don't think "the country" elected anyone other than the President?

    I can't speak for "the country" but I know many people are preoccupied, appalled and horrified by Israel's genocide and war crimes.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with "Jews" - just humanity and morals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    My friend, I'm responding to a post that thinks by virtue of the 30 or so F-35 wunderwaffen all of Iran will turn into a burning sea. I don't think there is anything magical about Irans ballistic missiles. But they have over 3,000 of them. Plus thousands more drones. Quantity has a quality of its own.

    And the fighting is not going to be army to army. Or airforce to airforce. Or navy to navy. It's going to be Iran's drones and missiles versus israel's air defences, targeting israeli air bases that these F35s fly from. And israels very small airforce vs Iranian air defences striking civilian targets. Sure, israel will get in some hits. But Iran can take those hits and keep fighting until it wins.

    Thats why we hear all these propaganda stories about the Iranians rising up and putting a pro-israeli government in power. Its literally the only way israel could win a long war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    There is some crossover between the two, I agree, but I don't think it's "just" xenophobia when it's specifically about Jews - or even Israelis. One reason for that is that the tradition of anti semitism was not about religious practice: secular or atheist people of Jewish heritage were equally targeted. This is why the fact that Irish people of Jewish heritage are also the targets of harassment is significant - because it is all part of the same old tradition of anti semitism that led to pogroms and eventually to the Nazis.

    But even if it were only limited to Israeli visitors to Ireland, it's still not the usual form of "xenophobia" because how many tourists are the object of hostility here? As I said, other than a few exceptions from thugs, which the vast majority of people always condemned, English visitors to Ireland were treated with courtesy even during the Troubles, and they were not felt to bear responsibility for their government's actions. So why is it different for Israel?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,723 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    And any negativity towards Hamas has resulted in posters being labeled enthusiasts for child killing, genocide-enablers and islamophobes, so, you know…

    Meanwhile, in real life, the people getting hassled in Ireland are Jews. Not Muslims, and still less Irish people with opinions about Gaza or Israel. And that is anti semitism.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Absolute nonsense, and easily disprovable. You should have read the article before posting.

    This is an extract from the first article.

    "Israel had covertly provided arms and funds to at least 12 Syrian rebel groups in order to prevent Iran-backed forces and Islamic State jihadists from setting up shop along the border."

    As we can see, the Israeli’s didn’t arm ISIS, they armed the forces fighting them! Nice gotcha that. 

    You also should have read this bit about the dastardly Israeli’s providing medical support to thousands of displaced Syrians.

    "Although it has never commented on military aid to the rebels, Israel last year revealed the scope of its humanitarian assistance in Syria that included treating chronically ill children who had no access to hospitals, building clinics in Syria, and supplying hundreds of tons of food, medicines, and clothes to war-ravaged villages across the border.

    Israel initially responded by providing medical treatment to Syrians wounded in the war, treating more thousands of people in field hospitals on the border and in public hospitals, mostly in northern Israel, since 2013.

    As for the second article, some American or Israeli arms falling into ISIS hands over the course of the war is not proof they were arming them. Simply the spoils of war.



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