Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Nope. It works (unfortunately).

Harris is a bit of a blank page upon which you can project whatever you like. Trump is very much a known quantity - I'd far rather see the Harris campaign going medieval on his ass than trying to redefine Harris at this late stage.

I think Musk convincing undecideds to vote for Trump will have the same impact as Rachel Maddow convincing undecideds to vote for Harris, i.e. it will have very little affect unless those voters are already leaning heavily towards a particular candidate which means they aren't really undecided to begin with.

Looking forward to when Walz forces the collectivisation of manufacturing and farming.

Has there been any information coming from the different state electoral boards on how they are going to control "fake" electoral board agents showing up at voting centres claiming to have authority to check voters I/d's for the purpose of denying voters the right to vote and interfere with the presidential electoral system?

Good analysis Rawr.

These things are conceivable, of course. How could they not be after what we saw on Jan 6th?

But I think any 'armed supporters of Trump' clash would not be with 'armed supporters of Harris', but rather law enforcement (and the National Guard if need be). It would be a policing action, which is a very important distinction to draw.

I can't see any repeat of Jan 6th happening again. It didn't work first time, a lot of them were arrested which would put some off from going to another one, and it'd be expected it could happen so there would be much more security.

I think the more worrying possibility is trouble at vote counting centers on election night or the day or two after. Cause enough disruption there including in ways where people get access to where the ballots are and it calls into question the ballots as its then much harder to determine interference. There was already some disturbance at them last year with "STOP THE COUNT" and "COUNT THE VOTES" depending on how Trump was doing. Counting centers will also have less security, fewer cameras etc so people might be more emboldened that they won't get caught like people did on Jan 6th.

Clark County dismissed the possibility of issuing summons or warrants for misdemeanor offenses against Trump and Vance

…however it simultaneously indicated that they are investigating whether felony charges apply instead.

https://dayton247now.com/news/local/felony-charges-under-review-in-clark-county-against-donald-trump-and-jd-vance

As they say, the consequences of one’s own actions.

The felony charges under review are:

• Making False Alarms
• Committing Telecommunications Harassment
• Committing Aggravated Menacing
• Violating the Prohibition Against Complicity

Trump couldn’t even bring himself to condemn the bomb threats last month.

The point is that Israel was attacked first but is being denied the respect that Ukraine has been given by many Western politicians. If Trump wins, it'll be the fault of many Muslim voters going against Harris.

IDF hides behinds civilians, why believe them either then?

Israeli soldiers are using Palestinian civilians as human shields in Gaza to enter and clear tunnels and buildings they suspect may have been booby-trapped, a leading Israeli NGO and newspaper have reported.

The practice was so widespread across different units fighting in Gaza that it could in effect be considered a “protocol”, said Nadav Weiman, the executive director of Breaking the Silence, a group founded by Israeli combat veterans to document military abuses.

The group has collected testimony describing the practice from veterans of the 10-month war in Gaza. The accounts they have heard match those reported in an investigation by the newspaper Haaretz, which claimed that the chief of staff’s office was aware of the practice.

“The senior ranks know about it,” one source said to have taken part in finding civilians to serve as human shields told the paper. “Our lives are more important than their lives,” Haaretz quoted commanders telling their soldiers.

The practice is said to be so routine that Israeli soldiers have a name for the human shields, who are referred to as shawish – informal slang for a low-ranking soldier – and the process was described by several witnesses.

Palestinian civilians, mostly young men, are picked up by Israeli soldiers, dressed in Israeli army uniforms, then sent into tunnels and damaged houses ahead of Israeli forces, soldiers told Haaretz and Breaking the Silence.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/14/israeli-forces-in-gaza-use-civilians-as-human-shields-against-possible-booby-traps

It's the same war, that's not disingenuous.

Now that's disingenuous, even if you want to try and narrow the goalpost to last year: Israel was attacking Gaza before October 7

Because some, and I stress some, people want to mix an international crisis with national politics as it suits their agenda when the two main US political parties support Israel.

A group of US Imams, including from Michigan, have endorsed Kamala Harris in a new letter, praising her record of standing up for civil and human rights and blasting Trump for his record regardingIsrael and Muslim rights. They also warn of the consequences of casting protest votes and allowing Trump a path back into the White House.

First, in fact, what is happening is not on her for she is not the President of these United States. Prior to serving in her current position, Vice President Harris has been regularly engaging with the Muslim community throughout her long and distinguished career. When Donald Trump passed the Muslim Ban, it was the then Senator Harris who filed a bill in the Senate seeking to provide access to legal counsel for our brothers and sisters caught in the Muslim Ban. Vice President Harris held the first Eid Al-Adha celebration in American history at her home, welcoming Muslim leaders from across America into her living room. This is beyond symbolism; it is an affirmation that Islam is an American religion.

When the war in Gaza began, she traveled and met with regional leaders and made clear that the U.S. would pursue a two-state solution, and what reconstruction of Gaza would look like, she also made clear that international humanitarian law must be respected. She stood on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, on hallowed ground for the civil rights warriors who fought for the Voting Rights Act. She was the first in the Administration to demand a ceasefire and she spoke about the devastating loss of life in Gaza and the unfolding humanitarian crisis. Just two months ago, when she met with Prime Minister Netanyahu, she held a press conference afterward and was clear as to her dismay with him and said she would not be silent about the suffering in Gaza. She has spoken with Palestinian Americans returning from Gaza, she has spoken with Palestinian Americans who have lost family in Gaza, she has met with doctors returning from medical missions in Gaza. She is a committed ceasefire candidate too and is the best option for ending the bloodshed in Gaza and now Lebanon.

Our community is in pain, but we must also remember that we cannot allow our country to return to Jim Crow America, this is not a reality our community can afford. Knowingly enabling someone like Donald Trump to return to office, whether by voting directly for him or for a third-party candidate, is both a moral and a strategic failure. Particularly in swing states, a vote for a third party could enable Trump to win that state and therefore the elections.

In 2016, Trump won Michigan by merely 11,000 votes mainly because of votes cast for third-party candidates. This enabled Trump to inflict great harm on our communities and country in numerous ways. Trump is funded by pro-settlement donors who support Israeli annexation of the West Bank, he has promised to give Netanyahu what he needs to “finish the job” in Gaza, and even promised to deport pro- Palestinian students and activists who he refers to as “jihadists” Jared Kushner, his son- in-law has promised to turn Gaza into “lucrative beachfront properties.”.

Given his well-documented history of harming our communities and country, as well as what he has promised he will do to Muslims and Palestinians should he return, it is incumbent upon us not to allow our high emotions to dictate our actions to our detriment. We cannot turn our backs on our diverse Muslim community at home and those abroad who are impacted by U.S. policies in our moment of pain and anger. And we have a responsibility, an Amana*, not to place our community in harm's way. Vice President Harris and Governor Walz have been clear, they see a New Way Forward and are not going back. We stand with moving forward, and call on other imams and our communities to move

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/kamala-harris/muslim-faith-leaders-endorse-kamala-harris-rcna174190

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https://mcec.org.uk/the-importance-of-trust-amana/#:~:text=The%20word%20%E2%80%9CAmana%E2%80%9D%2C%20mentioned,Allah%20has%20placed%20upon%20humans.

The Harris Coalition gets broader by the day. Increasingly the only path forward for Trump is stealing recounts.

1 hour and 42 minutes?

Ah no you are grand.