Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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Apologies. It can be difficult to figure out sarcasm sometimes from posts. I'm assuming you were being sarcastic but in case you weren't, what exactly do you think they mean by never surrender? Another coup attempt? Civil War if they don't get what they want?

There's something deeply wrong with that Musk fella.

MAGA Cultists: Behold Elon in his Never Surrender™ MAGA hat! This is truly the greatest moment in American political history! Bare none!

Nearly the rest of the planet:

You must be pretty outraged that his mother is promoting voter fraud.

The republicans pay people to canvass door to door.

The democrats rely on volunteers.

Maybe time to change tactics.

That's the problem with trying to assess a contest that is taking place on such a broad canvas. How can we really know what is going on 'on the ground'?

Especially when, in this polarized age, we naturally seek out sources of news that confirm our ow preconceptions and biases. It becomes very hard to make an objective assessment. Look at this thread for example - there's very little analysis going on but lots of partisan anti-posting (mostly in reaction to Trumpian trolling). Which might make us feel better but it really doesn't help us understand what is actually going on.

I did have a good chat with a colleague (black, middle-aged professional) who lives in Bucks County, PA this week. A very purple area in the ultimate battleground state. He said that the feeling of most people is a longing for it all to be over. He thinks Harris will carry his state and that people are tired of Trump - but that the entrenched positions are worse than ever.

And if we get another attempt at January 6th? Cause his rhetoric is very much so building up to rejecting an election loss...

what are you taking about? That’s all they ever do. Partly why she’s struggling so badly- they’re only message is “Donald trump is so evil” and can’t stand over her own pathetic poverty fuelling record

I have a friend who lives in Texas and is also a die hard Trumper. I don't try to bother him about his vote mainly because it feels wasted effort on my part. But every time he brings up the election I do try some form of character assassination on Trump. He's a criminal, too old, too fond of Putin. None of it works.

While it is incredibly frustrating that no amount of logic seems to get through to him I do glean bits of information from him that seems quite positive. He's said to me that he feels Texas will be very close this year and that Cruz may lose to Allred.

Now that doesn't mean that Texas will flip blue. But part of my optimism this year comes from a simple thought. If Texas, North Carolina/ Florida are looking kinda purple at the moment(They are margin of error in the polls and even one of these flipping would be the end of Trump) how close realistically can Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona and Wisconsin be? Part of me thinks that these states MUST be overrepresenting Trump in the polls.

It's just a thought but I dunno. Makes sense to me anyway. Maybe the polls are just best ignored tbh.

I agree that because Trump has been adjudicated as both a rapist and a fraudster, he has no real business near the highest political office in the USA.

However, if people need to be reminded of Trump's personal and professional failings, particularly of that magnitude, then something is off. These shouldn't be things that people forget, presuming they find those characteristics objectionable.

The best case scenario is that this constant reminding convinces just enough of whatever fence-sitting voters are left to vote for Harris. For most on here, this would be preferable, but it leaves the USA with the seemingly unsolvable problem that somewhere around half of their electorate are willing to look past every flaw of Trump's, no matter how nasty, and this leaves them primed to be rallied and goaded by a never-ending procession of hucksters and creeps who peddle bile nonstop.

Long term, the shadow of something that may utterly destroy the USA as we know will still loom large even if Harris wins, and what will done about it?

America loves a heel… well half of America