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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Appeasing them would antagonise many non-Muslim voters who are old enough to remember September 11th 2001. Muslims are still a minority in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭political analyst


    And how did Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time" turn out?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No Israeli had of government has ever expressed a desire to wipe a country off a map.

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    Now why would you make such an absurd and easily disproven claim?

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/netanyahu-map

    Israel being a flawed democracy doesn't mean people have to be comfortable with it having WMDs. Your statements about Iran and its leadership are apropos of nothing in the quote you've replied to.

    And Trump wants to do a Chamberlain again by giving away Ukraine or most of it to Russia. How do you think that will turn out?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭political analyst


    When Ahmedinejad said he wanted to have Israel wiped off the map, he obviously meant he wanted to have it exterminated. Most of the Western countries still haven't recognised the State of Palestine. From 1948 to 1967, Jordan occupied the West Bank and East Jerusalem and Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip and there was no demand for a Palestinian state in that period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Most countries however have recognized Palestine. Including Ireland.

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    Israel and its leaders have called for wiping Palestine, a country, off the map. 'It's okay to wipe these people out because I choose to pretend its not a country' is a rather genocidal cop-out, to be perfectly honest. Whether the Rand McNally or National Geographic atlas recognizes Palestine as a country or not the nuclear fallout would still be the same as a result of a nuclear mass destruction by the way. Nuclear radiation doesn't differentiate your politics from someone else's, it ionizes all the same.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Unlike Iran, Israel doesn't have a motive to use nuclear weapons without provocation. Unlike Iran, Israel is a safe place for women who don't want to wear headscarves and also for homosexuals.

    I don't want Trump to win. However, those Democrats who hate Israel are not doing their own party any favours - Muslims are still a minority and there are still many non-Muslim voters who remember September 11th 2001.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭political analyst


    I said "most of the Western countries" haven't recognised Palestine. No Israeli prime minister has ever expressed a desire to exterminate the Palestinian people. When Golda Meir said that there was no such thing as a Palestinian people she meant that they're ethnically the same as Jordanians, Lebanese, Iraqis, Saudis etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You keep throwing in these red herring with no purpose other than presumably to continually shift goalposts. Israel has it's own issues with women and gay rights, that's not at all what this is about. Israel isn't attacking Iran or exterminating Gazans in the name of gay rights. Israel and Iran's nuclear motives are by and large the same, no need to bluff otherwise:

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-nuclear-weapons-gaza-iran-china-1e18f34dcec40582166796b0ade65768



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Hamas started this war. Even if the Gazan health ministry's death toll is true, it includes terrorists and is only 2% of the Gaza Strip's population (2.3 million) as of 7 October 2023. Hamas hides behind civilians. To accuse Israel of exterminating Palestinians is like accusing the Allies of exterminating French people because of the deaths of civilians in air raids that were aimed at German forces in France in 1944.

    By the way, it wasn't the prime minister who made the "nuking Gaza" comment - the offending minister was suspended.

    In Israel, women are not being attacked by police for refusing to wear headscarves and homosexuals are not being hanged. Therefore, there is a difference between a country like Israel or the US or the UK having nukes and a country like Iran having nukes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This war with Palestine has been going on for decades, it is either dishonest or disinformed to act otherwise. Another red herring, no thanks. Israelis have been deliberately targeting civilians and maximizing for effect. The death toll is at least 119,000 and that's not according to the health ministry or Hamas.

    Trump has said he wants them finished even quicker. He has vowed to be Israel's "protector."

    Danny Eisenberg, 73, a radiologist from Maryland, called Trump’s statements about Jewish voters “crazy” and “a little antisemitic,” adding that he believes Trump’s promises about supporting Israel are exaggerated. Eisenberg told NPR he believes Trump’s decision to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal had led to further instability in the region.

    https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/g-s1-23859/trump-jewish-voters-israel-election-2024



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,550 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    every Israeli government in my lifetime has attempted to wipe Palestine off the map.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,387 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Only…. Only 2%?

    Do you have a % where you would be concerned?

    This is like the 9/11 scale again ffs, using a % or per capita to define what is and isn't a massacre.

    9/11 was 0.001% in comparison.

    If I said only 0.1% of Israeli's died on Oct 7th, I'd rightly be thorn to shreds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Of course "only 2% " is 2% too many, but the context is the accusation of genocide against Israel. If over a full year they have killed 2% it's hardly genocide from what is one of the world's most powerful military machines.

    And I am not using this as any kind of excuse for Israel's tactics or strategy, just in case there is the usual pile-on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,387 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    But genocide is not defined by a %, in fact you don't have to kill a single person to be found guilty of genocide.

    But in your mind, in your made up definition, what's the % where it swings over to a genocide? 10% 20% 30% etc…?

    2% isn't, you stated that, so you know you have a limit… or do you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Surprise, Florida.

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    Milton has been named and forming out of the gulf and headed East, it will be a major hurricane at landfall on Oct 9th with projection currently centering on Tampa Bay.

    It's a highly unusual but not unheard of vector for a tropical depression/storm, like Josephine 1996, but starting in the gulf like this is very rare, and most never get strong enough to get named much less reach Hurricane category, this will be a Category 3+

    Like Helene, this has the potential to reshape the nature of the race. I would anticipate Biden will be pre-empting Trump's efforts to spread disinformation and conspiracy theories especially about FEMA and disaster relief. As it now stands over $100M has been spent for relief of Helene so far, with $34Bn in damage estimated so far.

    When Republicans punted with a continuing resolution the other week it put $20 Bn in FEMA's coffers but that doesn't all just go to Helene either, it also has to fund the agency for near future disasters and all previous disasters it is still providing recovery funds for, just since 2023, there have been 265 qualifying projects it is responsible for. Some of those are different project areas of the same disaster, like Helene, across various jurisdictions and states, but also includes all manner of disasters like fires, and storms earlier in the season like TS Debbie.

    It will be up to the House (Origination Clause, Appropriations Clause) to pass a Helene and/or Milton relief bill to address them specifically if they so choose. Speaker Johnson seemed nonchalant about appropriating more relief for Helene earlier this week saying it was likely to be brought to the floor but he indicated it was very unlikely he will call the House back into emergency session before their recess ends on November 12, the week after the election.

    There have been various reports this election cycle that maybe Florida is in play on the electoral college. I don't know if this will change anything or make this more likely to be the case, but it is something to consider worth monitoring. If by some … 'act of God' (…), Harris did win Florida, Trump has no viable path to the Presidency. If Harris repeated Biden's 2020 map and picked up Florida it would be a blowout of 333-205



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In a similar way to how Israel has a policy of 100:1 deaths of opponents s to one of it's citizens, it also has the Sampson option. If it's existence is threatened it launches all of its nuclear weapons at the main capitols of all country's within reach.

    Israel is only a democracy if you are an Israeli citizen of Jewish decent.



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's genocide and is a continuation of a decades long process of eliminating the Palestinian population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,118 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Starting to get worried he will pull it off again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




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    But remember, it's the Democrats violent rhetoric that caused that somehow. Can't possibly be Trumps fault.

    Also, I've noticed that he's also trying to imply Harris was behind his assassination attempts:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70w909znl6o

    He also struck out at his political opponents, accusing them of “slandering” him and attempting to interfere in the election, and “who knows - maybe even tried to kill me.”

    I'm sure this will also be a non issue with the Trump supporters here and they will not acknowledge this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,158 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    So what's the consensus on Musks performance at Trump's latest rally? Will it turn any undecided to Trump's side?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,548 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Doubt it, he's been pushing conspiracy theories on Twitter for weeks and that's not moving the dial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,012 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why are people still talking about what Trump can do to win. Nothing Trump does will shift his vote. The only thing worth talking about is what Harris is doing to ensure high voter turnout out.

    The obsession with Trump is entertaining, but ultimately counterproductive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,931 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    90% of people influenced/swayed by Musk are probably in the MAGA camp already, so won't do much. All it was was an opportunity for him to bend the knee and lick the boot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,012 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's probably going to be a major part of Trump team strategy to suppress the Harris vote as much as possible, so part of what the Harris team must do in order to win is to have plans in place to counteract jiggery pokery to that end.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,586 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    WTAF is this?

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    Does Musk think that this sort of intervention is going to help? Surelyn at least 90% of those who are going to actually vote have decided by now.

    5 years ago, he was some silicon valley entrepreneur type and now he seems to have radicalised himself on his own supply.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Mad to think that their acolytes think that these two are greatest geniuses and businessmen ever.

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  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Their supporters are voting for a white Christian America - it has nothing to do with Trumps or Musk.

    Understand this and you will sleep easier at night by actually understanding why them been douch bags simply doesn't matter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    You've got to love the black 'Never Surrender' MAGA ball cap that Elon was sporting. He was great at the rally, bringing enthusiasm and energising the crowd. It was an iconic moment in American politics.

    "Fight, fight, fight, vote, vote, vote"



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