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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    With a name like that she must be the wife or daughter of Dick Cheney, the former US Vice President, who was the architect of the Iraq War which led to tens of thousands of deaths.

    Not surprising she isn't bothered to even mention Gaza.

    Just because someone says they don’t like Trump doesn't make it a good speech.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    More whataboutery. I also think it quite likely that you know full well who Liz Cheney is. She's speaking about the presidential election in a month and most Americans will be voting on domestic and national issues, not Gaza.

    This comes across as fake concern, honestly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Judge the speech on what it actually says rather than what you imagine it should say. She made a good case for supporting Harris and that was her sole purpose in that speech. Her opinions on Gaza are totally irrelevant to the point she was making - which was that Donald Trump is a direct threat to democracy in the USA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,045 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    That is the point. This is a person idealogically opposite to Democrats. And she is prepared to put up with those policies because of the threat that Trump poses to the country.

    She is prepared to put the country in front of her own wishes.

    Maybe more Trump supporters should consider that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,824 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Edited post & deleted most of original. Given it was a lawnmower he was driving on the golf course & it was geese he killed, I assume he is the groundskeeper there and killed the geese because they are grass-eaters damaging the course. A nothing story except for the course location…

    Post edited by aloyisious on


  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    i am extremely engaged by Gaza, but it is not everything. It is absolutely the case that Israel would ramp up efforts to clear Palestinians under a Trump Presidency as he has already signalled a green light to "getting the job done", which doesn't mean a ceasefire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    1 month out and everything is...the same. No real traction for either side.

    You would, just about, rather be in Team Harris's position than Team Trump but it's literally a coinflip.

    Keep calm and watch PA. And NC.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump has told them get the job done in Gaza, get it “over with” quickly. Trump also just said Israel should be bombing Iran’s nuclear facilities and that the U.S. should be blowing Iranian cities to “smithereens.”

    If anyone thinks that her opponent will somehow make things better I am confused how you got that conclusion.

    It is still a critical issue in states like Michigan, see Michael Moore for example blasting Harris for shifting her platform to the center:

    https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michael-moore-warns-kamala-harris-move-to-the-center-could-cost-her-election-dont-shun-progressive-base/

    on one hand correct how left wing progressives may sit out the election on the other a highlight of the predicament the two party system has the situation in: if Harris doesn’t win, you can bet Gaza will be wiped off the map, but people for whom Gaza is their top issue still won’t vote for Harris either from the sense that, she won’t do enough to stop Israel, or that it’s already too late. Damned if they do damned if they don’t. It doesn’t help that Netanyahu doesn’t want a ceasefire at all and may actively include getting Trump elected in his political calculus, in addition to keeping himself out of jail. Expect Netanyahu to be far more brazen this month. 1 year anniversary of the current escalation is in 2 days and if only for that reason, will dominate the news cycle next week, but hold onto your butts.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Somehow, I think they had no objection to Trump's attempts to get Israel to ramp up the genocide.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Can't remember who said it, but I saw a tweet saying that if "they" could really control the weather, it'd be raining directly over MTG's head 24/7



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I wouldn’t even trust the NC polls right now with what’s happened with Helene, not for anything to do with the nature of the pollsters themselves.

    Not up for swing but I did learn last night a South Carolina judge has extended the registration period to October 14th because of the hurricane.

    Some of the bluest areas of western North Carolina were devastated by Helene. People have evacuated out to other states etc. it’s very possible that NC is just handed to Trump now by nature of it being impossible to get voting back up for those areas in time and for voters to participate. Also part of the reason why the right wing is working overdrive to push anti-FEMA hoaxes etc. to push victims of the disaster squarely out of contention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    She is a Neocon warmonger who was on the wrong side of a power struggle in the Republican party.

    It just shows how desperate the Democrats are now that they are wheeling her out on the campaign as some sort of friend of Democrats, or a friend of fairness and decency in American politics. You cant make this stuff up.

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Speaking of warmongers how does it sit with you that Trump has called for Iran’s nuclear sites to be targeted and for entire cities to be blown to smithereens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,543 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And your choice of politician is the guy who said Russia can invade NATO countries if he doesn't think they're paying enough. He literally cites how individuals like Orban love him. Also there's ongoing suspicions that Netanyahu is delaying a ceasefire cause he wants a Trump presidency... Putin, Netanyahu, Orban etc don't want a Trump presidency because of his supposed peacemaking credentials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,396 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Gas. There's a reason Republicans are coming out against Trump. It's because he's a shyster cult leader who aggressively took over the Republican party and betrayed most of what the Repulican party has stood for.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It doesn't sit with him at all. The whole thing about Trump being anti war is nonsense his supporter think can score points with.

    it doesn't matter if Trump is anti war. It doesn't matter if he contradicts himself. His supporters are fine with that stuff. But for some reason they think the tactic of ignoring points and inconsistencies somehow trick people into believing they are right.

    I'd love to know what the thought process here is.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They know that they're not going to convince anyone with an intellectual argument so they settle for guerrilla-style posts instead to try and convince lurkers and anyone who hasn't seen through the Trump act by now.

    Facts don't really matter. If they are favourable, they use them. If not, facts are fake news or deep state or who knows.

    It's the fervour one would expect from a cult which is why we see them trying over and over again to pretend that Trump didn't tell people to drink bleach, lie thousands of times while in office or whatever.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But I don't know how they can think that.

    Anyone who is undecided by now can't possibly see those tactics and believe that they are convincing.

    If I was a person like that, I'd be offended that Trump supporters were assuming that I would be convinced by their tactics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    'flood the zone with sh*t' tactics,

    as for what people are hoping to get from a Trump presidency your guess is as good as mine, but I imagine with the lack of stating what those interests really are it can't be all that noble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    Exactly! The Democrats are so desperate they’ll wheel out Cheney like she’s their new moral compass, as if this is going to move the dial. It’s ridiculous!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A racist, anti-democratic presidency that erodes the rights of women and non-white, non straight folks.

    warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,012 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I thought Harris's position on the Israel-Palestine conflict was to get a ceasefire as quickly as possible and then, ultimately, a two-state solution. This is about as progressive as you're going to get in the USA and still expect to have a chance in a Presidential election.

    There may be a vast progressive base in the USA, but as we saw with Bernie v. Hillary, they just don't get off their arses enough to actually go vote, seeing as Hillary would have won even without needing the superdelegates.

    This is an example of where Trump has more agility on the issue. There are just more people in the US who aren't that gone on the old A-rabs when it comes down to it, and will be more amenable to his message of 'kill them all, if necessary', whereas Harris has a more tenuous position of compromise.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,549 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    A lot of “progressives” in the US are gathered in the states on the coasts. They can’t really affect the election. Their states are guaranteed wins for Harris.

    Some don’t bother voting, you’re right about that, but it wouldn’t make a difference if they did for the most part.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Well, Trump is clearly not terribly intelligent (edited) and there are hordes of disaffected and uneducated white men in the US so there's a ready cohort there. I think that you've inadvertently downplayed the number of people who are happy to vote for someone on the basis that they'll torment people they dislike, in this case educated liberals. It fits because it crosses nicely the wealth boundary between Trump and his main voting demographic. There are plenty of people who just vote Republican routinely as well along with those who vote for tax cuts. Two party systems breed strange bedfellows.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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