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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,681 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I took the information offered on board.

    I looked it up and found that while they may not have said one thing they certainly weren't being complimentary about Jewish people.

    In point of fact they were being openly antisemitic, which you chose to ignore.

    So as opposed to moving the goal posts, I had a good look at them and whilst one element may have changed they remain firmly in the same place they were in to begin with.

    I'm confused as to why I should be content to accept recommendations from someone who feigned confusion as to what constitutes antisemitism. It seems the deep rooted dislike of certain groups of people is as poorly concealed as should be expected from anyone given over to blind hatred.

    Here's hoping we see an end to the violence in the middle east and people can see the error of their ways and discard their old prejudices once and for all.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,738 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Her time as UN high commissioner for human rights probably carries quite a lot of weight on this, but the Israelis are pretty hostile to the UN so it'll just get dismissed as anti-semitism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The thing about Iranian politics is that only those politicians approved by the mullahs can run for office. The claims that an Iranian politician is "pro-western" has to be seen through that lens. It's a "pro-western" stance that has been reviewed and approved by the regime beforehand. At least its open and declared.

    What is sometimes unclear is the exact same process is applied for "Western leadership". Only those politicians approved by the zionist lobby can run for office. If by some system error a normal person like Jeremy Corbyn slips through the net and gets into a political leadership position, the mullahs in "the West" clamp down. Hard. Corbyn wasn't just removed from the leadership of the UK Labour Party for being insufficiently fanatical in his support of israel. That was not enough for his pro-zionist enemies. They could have just left him on the fringes, powerless, but still part of the social club that he had given all his life to. Victors often extend mercy to the defeated, but not zionists. He was expelled from the party membership to rub in the humiliation and defeat. As a warning to anyone else who might seek to enter politics without being sufficiently pro-zionist. It is their party now. It is the party of Starmer

    So, when you talk about "Western leadership", I don't think that exists anymore. There is no leadership which identifies "Western" interests and pursues them. Not in the US, not in Europe either. The extreme lengths politicians in the US and Europe go to debase and humiliate themselves for israeli interests makes more sense when it's understood you don't get elected in the west without being incredibly pro-zionist.

    As I noted in an earlier post, even those "far-right" parties the media drums up as a terrible threat to the existing order in Europe are captured by pro-zionist idealogy. To paraphrase George Orwell, If you want a picture of the future, imagine a zionist boot stamping on a human face - for ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,256 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They certainly won't like it and it is yet another important voice calling them out and it will carry some weight around the globe. They have very few friends left except the US and they are only using them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The term 'antisemitism' means feck all nowadays and people that continue to use it are pursuing their own agenda. It is best to post what you really mean than use that discredited term



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Excellent post, and a lot to consider. Thank you @Sand

    EDIT: Although I do think that Corbyn's model of socialism was enough to rattle the establishment. "A very British coup" comes to mind. And the anti-semitic slur merely a tool, but perhaps there's more to that too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,681 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It means a irrational hatred of Jewish people.

    The fact that so many people are conflating all Jews with the Israeli government is playing into this.

    I'm literally hearing people openly talk about their hatred of Jews nowadays and it's deeply worrying.

    They're as much responsible for the actions of Israel as the majority of Irish people were for the actions of the IRA a generation ago.

    You might not see the connection but it is most certainly there and when a group of people are openly being discriminated against I'm not going to accept any feigned misunderstanding of the concepts surrounding it as an excuse.

    We're on a slippery slope with this and while Israel deserves it's criticism we need to get a handle on the growing acceptable nature of what is becoming casual antisemitism.

    If you think that's an agenda not worth pursuing, perhaps you're not being entirely honest about your own feelings towards Jews.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,256 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    And the Germans. They sell a lot of arms to them and also are trying to atone for the holocaust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Well, to be clear I'd disagree with Corbyn on a lot of things. We're not fellow travellers or allies. Though I dont think his model of socialism will be seen as all that radical in 10-20 years. Again, without diverging too far off topic, "the West" is struggling with how Russia is outproducing it for military arms (state owned industry) and China is outproducing it for electrical vehicles (state owned industry). So Corbyn's brand of socialism might be seen as mild if "the West" chooses to end the 1990s economic logic and go back to what works in practise.

    That said, it took an immense amount of cynicism or hatred to expel Corbyn from the Labour Party, which he joined as a teenager. Surely, the victors, secure in their power could have been generous enough to give him a pass on the basis of past service. He was effectively ostracised, no threat. Why rub it in? If anything, their mercy could serve to demonstrate their power. They could afford to have him in the tent, grumpy, but in it. So why go for the scorched earth - total war option of expelling a guy from the UK labour party who was essentially defined by his dedication to the UK labour party and its ideals?

    Its for the same reason 66% of buildings in Gaza have been destroyed. Hatred.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I do not think I have seen a post on this board that reflects 'It means a irrational hatred of Jewish people', have you?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭meepins


    Well you could always research the reasons instead of posting inane comments about it.

    Who are these people funding the NGOs with their ships that collaborate with human traffickers to ferry millions of people into Europe? IsraAID is one of those NGOs that operates refugee centers on the island of Lesbos (Greece). It has done so since 2015. It gets funding directly from Israel. Several hundred thousand Syrians were moved out of the M.E. and into Europe through these NGOS. According to the PEW Research Center a disproportionate number of these refugees in Europe are military aged men and it's illegal to send the Syrians back where they belong.

    Israel by pure coincidence is in conflict with Syria and for years has regularly bombed the country, armed and given medical aid to ISIS (the Israeli/US M.E. proxy army) to do warfare against the Assad regime. ISIS is now running around doing ops under other names but you may have seen them pop up recently to do terror attacks in Russia and Iran recently. Purely coincidental.

    Do you think there's some kind of ethnic relationship with the people running these refugee NGOs and the ones that wrote the 'PNAC' policy papers that laid out the plans for all these regime changes across the Middle East. The same people that order around the US military as their personal brainless brute to murder and terrorise civilians. It seems like there's some kind of convergence of interests. Perhaps you would like to investigate further?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,617 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Any idea where all this anti-semitism has suddenly - in the last year - stemmed from?

    I wonder what could have caused it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Interesting clip from the other night, every air defense interceptor missed.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Candlel


    You do realise Iran hates the West, hates everything we stand for. Good for you that you have trust in them. When they cut off your head or your family's maybe you’ll change your mind. But of course it will be too late then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Fallout2022


    This is a good documentary. Difficult viewing in places.

    It is constructed from the social media uploads of Israel's own soldiers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Candlel


    Didn’t Poland once have a strategic alliance, right before Hitler invaded, followed swiftly by….. Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Everything we stand for? Who is "we" and what exactly is it you think "we" stand for?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,668 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Do you stand for women being killed because they didn't cover their hair? Gay people being killed? Child marriage? Killing political opponents? That's what Iran stands for. I would say that's antithetical to what "we" in the West stand for but if you disagree, fair enough I suppose. You're allowed to disagree here.

    When we get to the point where idiots are supporting Iran, maybe it's time to drop the bomb? Then you'll see how bad life could be. Get a grip ffs. Iran aren't the heroes here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Do you stand for children being killed because you can get away with it? Journalists and reporters being killed for doing their job? Medical staff killed for attempting to treat people? That is what Israel stands for and 'we' in the 'west' facilitate it all

    Both Israel and Iran are the same horrible regimes



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  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was always there. It's just in the open now



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    @A Dub in Glasgow

    We the west have poured billions into Gaza to be used by Hamas to buy weapons and dig tunnels under schools, hospitals and homes.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They have declared that they are an existential threat to every man women and child on earth. If Israel is ever driven out of the Levant they will nuke every capitol in reach of their missiles, friend or foe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,668 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    No i dont stand for that. Its terrible. Israel are at war. Iran just murder women, gay people and force girls into child marriage as domestic policy. Totally the good guys 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Presumably that's because she's of no importance to Hamas. Many of the remaining Israeli hostages are apparently being used as shields for Sinwar and perhaps a few other senior Hamas people.

    Hamas also deliberately shot dead the six hostages who were within a few hours of being freed by the IDF a few weeks ago, rather than let them be freed. Again, this young woman wasn't of any value to them in that respect.

    What it confirms to me though is not just about that one woman. It's what it says about Palesinian society. A foreign child/young teen can be forcibly brought into Gaza (so much for the open air prison) and kept as a sex slave there, and nobody in the family or neighbourhood sees anything srong with that?

    "All eyes on Rafah" doesn't seem very interested in seeing the sex slaves being held there, does it?

    I've seen a report about another Yazidi woman who was (still is?) trapped in Nablus, according to this interview from August 2023. She describes being unable to make her refusal to marry understood because she spoke so little Arabic at the time. Again, nobody in that place seemed unduly horrified by her fate. Almost as though it's not a great deal worse than many native Palestinian women. That, or they despise her for being a "devil-worshipping foreigner".

    Agonizing journey of a Yazidi ISIS 'bride' from Shingal to Palestine

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    apparently trump has suggested that israel should hit iran's nuke sites first at one of his rallies

    the whole middle east could have a different outcome depends on who gets elected November

    at present:

    "IDF planning ‘serious and significant’ response to Iranian ballistic missile attack" (times of israel)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I used to think very highly of Mary Robinson, but her shameful behaviour over Princess Latifa's attempted escape from the UAE shows that she has completely sold her soul to the lovely money of the Arab states.

    I wouldn't believe a word she says about human rights any more - she blatantly exploited her position as UN commissioner for human rights to condone and even enable a powerful man keeping his daughter prisoner.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    The west have poured billions in to Israel to buy weapons to slaughter tens of thousands of kids, evict families from their homes to steal their land for illegal settlers, to kill journalists and target paramedics who attend the scene of a recent bomb attack within 72 hours, to target and kill European aid workers, to bomb orphanages, schools, hospitals. To give Ethiopian Jewish women controversial birth control injections against their knowledge or when blackmailed which halved their birth rate whilst not doing it to any white people. The west has supported a racist regime which believes in racial superiority and treats the Geneva convention like toilet paper. The west has given Israel free reign to act like monsters and continues to do so.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Interesting how its always Israel who are the baddies.

    Have you no comment on Hamas using UN funds to arm themselves to the teeth?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,851 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    What’s interesting is you had zero rebuttal to anything I said just a weak attempt at whataboutery . You have no comment on all the crimes listed and support Israel so I imagine you’re happy with their work, I feel sorry for you what a sick mindset to have. Hamas are scum and baddies too. Israel have shown there is no difference between them and hamas , except better equipment and Israel have inflicted a civilian death toll hamas could only dream of.

    So no comment on Israel killing tens of thousands of kids? Killing journalists, aid workers and deliberately attacking paramedics on rescue missions, illegal settlements, halving the Ethiopian birth rate? That’s a non issue for you is it? Do you condemn it and think it’s evil? Or is it all alright in your sick book?



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