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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

  • 04-10-2024 10:02PM
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    Old thread here

    Mod warnings

    This thread is about Ireland's refugee policy, not immigration by any other means

    Please remain civil to each other. If you think someone is posting inaccurate information, or indeed trying to twist facts to suit theur agenda, do not accuse them of lying. Point out their inaccuracies and move on.

    No discussion of anything before the courts permitted

    There are threads dedicated to conflict in Ukraine and the Middle East. The situation in those countries is not for discussion here, although the impact on Ireland of refugees entering the country to escape such conflicts can be discussed

    No anecdotes without evidence. It's not constructive posting and only leads to disagreements over things that may or may not have happened.

    Added 19/11/24:

    Can people please discuss the topic in a civil manner going forward - I have had to issue two warnings to posters who simply are insistent on making things personal. A person's background is certainly not up for discussion, and making generalisations like 'your kind' or 'your lot' is not discussing the topic!

    However - this thread is about Ireland's refugee policy - it is not about ALL immigration and conflating the two is not fair to posters trying to discuss the topic in good faith. If you want to discuss the topic of the thread then please continue in a civil manner with this in mind. I will be adding this note to the OP of the thread.

    Report posts that you feel are problematic, do not respond to them on thread. Any issues, PM me, do not respond to this on thread.

    Added 15/12/24:

    It shouldn't have to be repeatedly pointed out that this thread is only for discussing Ireland's refugee policy, not all forms of migration - further instances of doing so will now have to be warned as people cannot seem to stay on topic. Do not respond to this on thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Please all load me with thanks for being the first post 😃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The below is a response to poster @twinytwo in the last thread (emphasis mine) who said:

    Yet again you refuse to see the insanity of the stance you take.

    If anyone can come to Ireland on a false passport and a sob story. Claim asylum, even if not granted more than likely will get to stay in the country anyway because as you say were would we even send them. Then what is the point in any type of system or even a border?

    The whole purpose of the system as it stands is basically to extract as much money from the Irish taxpayer for every Asylum Seeker that arrives here for the benefit of anyone but the Asylum Seeker themselves or the pony up taxpayer.

    There is a whole industry developed around the AS system now. Well established legal eagles specialising in Asylum claims and appeals have been operating for quite some time and at least one of these is wife of a prominent politician - see: State asylum cases earned ex-minister's wife €1m | Irish Independent

    NGOs are costing us tens of millions, Hotels closing and becoming IPA centres overnight because it's such an easy earner, former pubs and restaurants too - it's so lucrative that even disused warehouses and factories are weighing in on the gravy train.

    You can bet your last red cent that those benefiting from all this money are not going to give it up - they'll be lobbying hard, very hard to keep the border control (or lack thereof) going. When there's a quick buck to be made, morals go out the window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    For anybody who might be new to the anti-immigration conspiracy theories they go something like this...

    The NGOs, hotel owners, lawyers, academics, AGS and MSM are all in cahoots, with minister for integration Rodric O Gorman as the evil mastermind pulling the strings.

    You'll probably have to ignore migration trends throughout Europe, and believe that dealing with IPAs is as easy as sending people back on airplanes, just like they do in the border patrol TV shows.

    It helps if you've a soft spot for Putin, or are at least willing to turn a very blind eye to his efforts to spread anti-immigration hysteria around Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,719 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Felix Christian Muller was up to no good

    Should be shipped back to Turkey the minute he left jail



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    All the talk all week about a scuttery €9m spend proposed for phone pouches - OMG! the waste, it's outrageous blah, blah, blah

    Hardly a squeak about the 1000 million being whizzed up against the wall in just the first six months of this year giving a likely €2bn by the end of the year (or to put it another way, slightly less that a children's hospital in FG's world)

    FG: 'Keep on talking about the €9m you idiot peasants, lol'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Great distraction to deflect from the real issues and cost to this country, absolutely sickening!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    For anybody who might be new to the anti-immigration conspiracy theories they go something like this...

    The NGOs, hotel owners, lawyers, academics, AGS and MSM are all in cahoots, with minister for integration Rodric O Gorman as the evil mastermind pulling the strings.

    Ah yes, they're all in cahoots! LOLs. They weren't in cahoots until they were. A fine example was the well publicised cash for ash scheme up North whereby once taxpayers money was put on the table there were plenty of takers and it ultimately ended in an absolute s**t-storm. A lesson for any wide-eyed aspiring politician that 'thinks' they are going to solve a problem is that once you put the taxpayers money on the table there is an endless stream of pi$$-takers (regardless of whether they wear a suit or not) to extract every cent/penny from said table.

    The dog on the street knows that the vast majority of the MSM are died-in-the-wool socialists who think that national borders are an abomination. The academics and the MSM have long held these views. The AGS and Roddy along with a large cohort of the public service in Ireland are running scared in fear of being labeled 'racist'. Their irrational fear of same clouds their judgements.

    You'll probably have to ignore migration trends throughout Europe, and believe that dealing with IPAs is as easy as sending people back on airplanes, just like they do in the border patrol TV shows.

    Migration trends throughout Europe - what an example, because the failures of mainland western European countries to grapple the migration/refugee crisis had been and continues to be a never-ending blunder. Whole districts of EU cities have descended into ghettos, racial tension, radicalism and continuous micro-conflicts. Ignore that at your peril - because those issues are manifesting in Ireland. Way-hay - we're European now, we've got our own [insert nationality here]-town.

    It helps if you've a soft spot for Putin, or are at least willing to turn a very blind eye to his efforts to spread anti-immigration hysteria around Europe.

    Putin and his buddy in Belarus are actively encouraging non-EU migration into the EU in order to create social cohesion issues, so having a soft spot for that demagogue isn't the 'gotcha' you think it is. Interestingly the fervent hard-left of Daly and Wallace had a soft spot for Putin - so perhaps you should be looking further left then to find your real source of hysteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,733 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Surely there's enough money in the coffers now to set up a fit for purpose screening system for IPA's.

    We should be aiming to accommodate genuine applications and have a system in place to escort bogus applicants out of the country swiftly once their applications are denied.

    Any genuine IPA's that are being left in tents or in arms reach of angry mobs are there because of the refusal of bogus claimants to leave the country, a country in the midst of a housing crisis no less.

    The figures that were released earlier this year detailing something in the region of 80% of applicants being found to not meet the criteria for remaining in Ireland is an indictment of the system as it currently exists.

    The fact that tax payers are funding NGO's who have been at times been illegally removing fencing placed to stop tents being pitched in dangerous locations placed by the Irish government at the expense of the tax payer shows how broken the system is here and the contempt these groups have for not only Irish tax payers but the IPA's they wish to leave in flimsy tenets often only inches from deep canals.

    Everything around this situation has spiralled out of control and with an election incoming, nothing will change for the better for the foreseeable future either.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Well said. Traditionally the Irish people would give an extended 'céad míle fáilte' to anyone and their dog who turned up - it was ingrained into our national psyche to do so, and we were very proud to do so. But the 'globalist socialists' or NeoSocs (as they should really be called) turned up with their absolute disdain for anything resembling a nationalist tradition had to be pulled down. You can see it being played out, albeit subtly, in almost every sphere of Irish life and commentary upon of today. They have weaponised our culture against us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    This video sums it up quite nicely:

    Man attempts to rescue one kitten, finds 12 more! 'We've got a kitten problem!' (youtube.com)

    Spoiler - you can't rescue all the kittens.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Occasional summaries of @MegamanBoo posts are useful, so let's recap.

    This poster has previously argued that the Irish State should fund private airlines and ferry companies to actively seek out and transport masses of undocumented asylum seekers to Ireland.

    He/she has suggested that we should allow unlimited numbers of undocumented passengers to board ferries and planes without ID, thereby ignoring standard global security measures and enabling anyone who wants to travel to Ireland free of charge to do so at the expense of the taxpayer.

    The same poster has also argued that we should allow economic migrants to use the international protection system as means of moving to Ireland because "they would come here anyway". In other words, the poster is in favour of the large-scale abuse of the international protection system.

    Nobody in their right mind could agree with these ideas, as is reflected in the lack of thanks on their posts.

    The icing on the cake is that this poster has accused anyone who disagrees with them as having mental health issues. It all beggars belief but it's useful to remind ourselves who we're debating with at times.

    warned and 1 day forum ban applied

    Post edited by Beasty on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,251 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Where is his family, waiting in Greece or Germany for him to get set up in Ireland?

    I wonder was any investigation done in regard to his story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭thereiver


    I just read family's are coming here they apply for asylum if they are declined they stay here the process to send them back does not work or is not enforced this is a problem. There is not much space for rental or even places left in hostels for people to live in this country

    I hear on newstalk around 20k are arriving every year

    Does the government Just intend to spend billons renting hotel rooms or building new hostels ? Do they have a plan at all

    Yes our economy is booming but as night follows day it will slow down

    The price of oil will go up or maybe Intel or google will decide to lay off some workers

    Do politicians plan more tthan 2 years ahead in this country

    The government by it's actions is inviting abuse of the international system for asylum seekers

    A right wing government has been elected in Austria because I presume young people are pissed off with how the present system works or how the eu rules on immigration works

    If you drive around Dublin at night you,ll see men sleeping on the streets .I wonder are the hostels full

    Post edited by thereiver on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    You can't be naive enough to think that when the Government is signing a blank cheque to deal with this crisis, that Gombeens in a number of industries you mention wouldn't emerge from the woodwork to "wet their beaks" and lobby for more?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    If the migration crisis is not dealt with by this much vaunted EU Migration Pact, the EU will fracture in the next 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    This leftie governments immigration policy has destroyed Ireland-get them out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I'm concerned about this now 2 billion a year "international protection" bill.

    There's people from literally all over the world continuing to arrive.

    That bill is going to go up. It's metastatic. In fact all the bloody spending is.

    Such money being wasted is no problem when you are taking in so much money in corporation tax and one off payments from apple.

    What is going to happen if things go south?

    We have to consider a future where inward foreign investment slows. Despite having the advantage of now being the only English speaking country in the European union there are no guarantees in life.

    Low paid Irish and "new Irish" will be competing for jobs and benefits.

    I'm old enough to remember the word "austerity"

    We could be setting the stage for some serious, serious social problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    There is no consultation from the government to its people on their refugee policy -what kind of government does this describe hmmmm ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,135 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    No their plan is to provide new homes at a cost of €440,000 to people who arrive and have never contributed a cent to the economy.


    Meanwhile working nurses and gards who pay taxes can’t afford a place to live in or call their own.

    It’s gone past the point of been outraged as people are numb to the whole farce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭prunudo


    amazing how they were able to find the resources to fund 400 extra staff for the IPO. Shame they couldn't put the same efforts into protecting the border at points of entry or into the providing the resources for aBp and planning departments so we can invest in our future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    If we keep admitting people, speaking english wont be the advantage we have anymore. The way its going

    Post edited by Mr. teddywinkles on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I think its far more complex than simply calling them a leftie government. What has happened is both FG and FF have implemented more and more left policies as they strive to stay in power. They adopted many of the left idea's put forward by the Greens to keep them sweet and on side. Equally, in their desire to quell the rise of SF they tried to appeal to their voter base.

    Ultimately though, despite having far too many Left ngo in their ears, FG and FF are still centrist parties at heart and I believe will swing back right in their policies in the years ahead as they see the wind changing in Europe.

    Case in point was last week, when the usual leftie x accounts were loosing their **** when Simon rightly pointed out that immigration is putting a strain on housing. And we'll see more of that in the lead up to the election, as the pro immigration ngo's realise that FG/FF aren't the friends they thought they were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    You are correct -but its to late .As you have seen all around the country Irelands gone .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭prunudo


    unfortunately so, one community at a time. But its never too late from stopping it getting worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    To those who say migrants do not commit more crime than natives . This type of internet crime along with , invoice bank scams , money laundering does appear to be the domain of migrants .

    https://www.thejournal.ie/courts-romance-fraud-ireland-dating-apps-6505840-Oct2024

    Independant Irieland robust manifesto on Immigration .


    https://www.independentireland.ie/immigration


    Aontu has a policy too on Immigration and protection of our border .

    https://gript.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=f5c1b5b46f9bf7e46e0f8ddd5&id=68fe839741&e=7b1578e656



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    A single post in and you attempt to smear how shameful and predictable

    Your motivation can only be 1 of 2 basis

    1. Money, lots and lots of money
    2. Agent Provocateur

    Anyone that truly cares wants to uphold the integrity of the asylum system, not let or advocate for it's descent into chaos

    Post edited by 99nsr125 on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah the ignore button is handy alright. Good observation.

    If only the communities paying the price for the government's reckless immigration policies had the same luxury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,596 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    3. Trafficker

    Anonymity is great in the land of the digital communication.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    To answer your question at least somewhat - the government's plan is the "Comprehensive Accommodation Strategy" which involves using State-owned lands to house 14,000 asylum seekers and the remainder in privately owned places like hotels, factories, Mosney etc.

    The main plan is to use tented sites like the ones in Crooksling and Newtownmountkennedy, and the forthcoming ones in Thornton Hall and Athlone (right beside a pre-existing centre - lucky Athlone!). State-sanctioned shanty towns is what they are.

    What's worse is that this plan, reckless as it is, is totally failing. The government is struggling enormously to get these sites up and running. The Thornton Hall site is meant to house 1000 but has been in the pipeline for a long time and still empty. The Crooksling site has a few hundred on it, is prone to flooding, and is an absolute hell-hole by all accounts. The few tented sites that they have managed to set up are accommodating relatively small amounts of asylum seekers and they are places where violence and gangs are the norm.

    The failure to address the issue means we're going to see more and more asylum seekers living on the streets and billions more handed over to private landlords/hotels etc. And the government will continue to take accommodation from Irish students as they are doing in Sligo, thereby denying many the opportunity of third-level education.

    In sites like Mosney, some refugees have been living there for many many years. They're unable to leave because of the lack of housing, and they have become totally dependent on the state - institutionalised.

    They will try to remove Ukrainians from State-owned accommodation and put asylum seekers in there, but it's going to prove very difficult.

    All of this is only the tip of the iceberg. Things are going to get much worse.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,719 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Imagine over 25 thousand crossing the English channel so far this year.

    God knows how many will be coming to Ireland, what a fucked up situation and just nuts that in this day of age they cannot stop this blight



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