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Toyota bz4X

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭yermanthere


    My most thirsty experience was a winter-time 4degree, motorway run @115kmh. Car full to the gills with 2 adults, 2 kids with car seats, boot full of bags and heater at 20 degrees .

    Range 240km.

    Less weight, more range. Less cold, more range.

    I do lots of 100kmh dual carriageway ATM.

    I think at 10 degrees range is 350km with just me.

    I do think heater is thirsty, I reckon 10-15% cull in range. Outside temperature is another 10% the closer you get to 0 degrees.

    The issue in Ireland is the rain and damp, so you need demister and heater. Standard EV advice is to use the more efficient heated seats and steering wheel, but that won't clear windscreen.

    These values are not very different from id4 or ev6. But they do have a bigger battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭vimalandrew


    This is the reason EV sales are falling in Ireland. After 1.5 years of driving an electric car, what I noticed is I dont like to switch on the A/C or heater, I dont like to travel through motorway.

    When I was using a Toyota hybrid, it gave me 22km/litre mileage whatever be the weather condition (a/c on or heater on), whatever be the terrain (motorway or city). This could be the reason why all the new registrations across Irish roads are toyota hybrids. I think the best option is RAV4 PHEV which has 313 horse power as well as constant range. Only problem is its outdated (2019 model) and its bookings are so huge so that it looks like it may take long time to come with the new model.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭freddieot


    It seems me that some evs are just not practical unless...

    Keep heaters and other toys either off or on low in bad weather...

    Travel on motorways only when absolutely necessary but keep well under the speed limit….

    Allow ateast one 30 to 60 min stop on long journeys like Dublin Cork etc ...

    Remember to remind everyone what a great decision it was to buy one, at a high price, with conforts you can't use in bad weather and fantastic performance that you dare not unleash unless you're next to a charging station.

    I'm not anti EV but just reading through multiple contributions on this forum trying to get a big picture on how viable they are, currently, not in 5 years time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭yermanthere


    Well in fairness, it's not quite that bad.

    BZ will drive Dublin to Cork without stopping, at motorway speed. Then if you have destination charging just plug in.

    More family members with chargers, means easy charging at destination. Or public charge if it's close.

    Yes if it's a day return , with no destination charging, it's 30-40 mins of DC. You could split it into 15-20 minute stop on each direction.

    Its not as easy as ICE, but it's not world-ending either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Mach Two


    As you have brought up this topic. I don't know anything about charging points outside the home. How available are charging points in Ireland for the BZ. Are they in every town? And how long is the charge. Let's say you plug it in for half an hour, how far will the half hours charging take you. A bit of shopping or a meal. Or even a snooze in the vehicle itself as you wait.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,146 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I’m driving an EV for 4.5 years now and have never once compromised on cabin comfort or cruising at speed limits.

    If the BZ4X came out 10 years ago maybe it’d have been considered a good EV, but the simple fact is it came out in 2022 and was already 5 years behind its competitors…

    It came out with a 6.6kW onboard charger ffs…. While since about 3 years previous to that 11kW was the standard….

    It was/is limited to 2 ‘fast’ DC charging sessions Per day, so couldn’t be ‘properly’ road tripped effectively…

    It was a lemon.

    They promised what, 10 new BEV models by 2026 or something? They better get a move on!!

    Or


    is it all just bullsh1t?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Ev fan


    Would agree with your points- have been driving EVs for 4 years now. I do roughly monthly runs - Sligo to Dublin and never had any major issues. Charging infrastructure needs to improve more but it's getting there. Quite simply Bz4x is a very poor attempt at designing an EV by Toyota with too small a battery for size and shape of the car. Why? - because up to now they only been interested in combustion and hydrogen/ fuel cell which hasn't worked out to date. A large part of the market will convert to EV which Toyota is to date not seriously competing in. Plenty of good EVs out there and are being added to on it seems a monthly basis. Time for Toyota to get the finger out and also stop lying to the public about "self-charging" hybrids and their "electrified" range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭vimalandrew


    It looks like all these people are other car company agents trying to defame bz4x. But the reality is that a lot of people are buying bz4x now. I recently met a taxi driver and he said his friend bought bz4x and he is very happy with it. I can now see a lot of bz4x on the roads than Teslas and Volkswagen IDs. It is very rare to see an ID5.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭yermanthere


    Ye, more fake news.

    BZ has 11kw onboard charger. Initial 2022 models had 6.6, which was quicky upgraded by Toyota.

    The DC limit is two complete charges in a day from 0-100%. And your initial full charge before you started your road trip. So that's 300%, or 900km of motorway driving, in a single day.

    It has similar consumption to id4. It has matrix LEDs, power boot, lane keep, active cruise. Cloth seats not plastic " vegan leather". It's a Toyota product. Never ground breaking, just a tool that does exactly what it says on the tin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭freddieot


    That might just be a local thing. There are a lot of EVs where I live in West Dublin. However, not one single Bz4x to be seen. The over-whelming trend I see is Tesla and ID4 with a few Mini somethings and a few Leaves. I've only seen one or two bz4x in the flesh on the M50 since they came out. I've actually seen more EV9s than the Bz4x which says a lot as they not out that long and cost a lot more. I've never seen a Bz4x taxi but I regularly (daily) see Id4 taxis.

    None of these are on my next change list by the way so no skin in the game. They all seem to be good options depending on individual requirements.

    On the PHEV side, lots of Toyota RAV4 PHEVS about as well as Kia Sorento \ Sportage etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭Ev fan


    The meaning I was picking up from the thread was that EVs in general are not any good because you can't turn on heating on longer journeys to save range with Bz4x used as a reference point - which is at least very debatable for many mainstream EVs currently on the market. As an avid fan of EVs I hope you are right and that "lots of people" are buying the Bz4x thus reducing sales of ICE. Hopefully soon Toyota will "walk the talk" and start producing a range of good EVs- which they are well capable of...... it's just a question of whether they are really willing to commit to EVs or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭vimalandrew


    there is lot of politics going on in this world. I saw the video where Saudi prince greeting US president Biden.

    it looks Saudi prince looks a little bit tempered.

    Also saw the recent comedy scene from Saudi Television insulting him in his presidential campaign.

    So I think if Republican party wins next US election, there could be fallback from EVs back to ICEs or hybrids.

    What we all are waiting for is Solid State battery which is regarded as the holy grail of EVs. I think then we can expect airplanes, trucks made of them. Toyota was the one who declared first that they devised solid state batteries which gives 1200km range.

    Chins's IM motors recently declared that they are going to deliver cars with solid state batteries next year. What we see immediately after that is Elon Musk visiting Beijing and met with Chinese Premier. Probably he is begging him to postpone the decision so that he can remain as world's richest. It is predicted that Tesla is going to become a trillion dollar company by 2026. since Tesla had showed no plans for solid state batteries, how can all this become true.

    I could see that a RAV4 weighs 1600kg, whereas bz4x weighs 1970kg. This difference causes front tyres to worn fast. I am doindg deliveries and my front tyres usually lasts only 15000km. But When I used Pirelli, it lasted for 30000km. My rear tyres are running still at 61000km.

    So I could see as battery size increases, vehicle weight increases; EV may be very powerful like a sports car and produces instant torque; but when there are 5 people on board, there could be issues with wheel alignment and tyres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Mach Two


    BZ3X and BZ5X on the way in the next couple of years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,146 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    30 BEV Models by 2030

    10 BEV models in Europe by 2025 (2025 starts in 87 days (or if the target is by end of 2025 then they have 452 days to release another 9 BEV models in Europe)).

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    They are still saying this on their website today.

    https://www.toyota-europe.com/electrification/bev

    Believe them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Mach Two


    With a semi ban on internal combustion engines in the E.U. by 2035 E.V. sales will rocket in the next few years. 90% new car sales in Norway are EV. Toyota will be a major player in this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,146 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Ye, more fake news.

    BZ has 11kw onboard charger. Initial 2022 models had 6.6, which was quicky upgraded by Toyota.

    So you agree that it did initially ship with a 6.6kW AC onboard charger…. in 2022.

    I know they upgraded it to 11kW… but why even bother with a 6.6kW charger? why not just go straight to 11kW?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Mach Two


    Am I correct in thinking that travelling during the day is a lot more efficient than travelling at night. With outside temperature lower at night and the need to heat the cabin greater.

    Can any EV be charged at any charging station ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,028 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Slightly more efficient at best. In summer months, it would be the opposite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Mach Two


    Is there a spare tyre in it?

    It will be interesting to see the battery performance in the BZ4X this winter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭petronelduca


    No spare tyre, just a repair kit. I suppose one can buy a spare tyre and keep it in the boot in order to get rid of any related anxiety.

    Winter battery performance: on my previous Bz4x, if during the summer I was doind my 236 km commute to Dublin (starting the trip at around 06:00) with 70-72% of the battery, during the winter, I was using on avg 92% of it (heat, radio, wipers all on). One time, due to a very very back up traffic I made it to the office with 1% left on the dashboard.

    I woukd say the winter takes away 25% off of the range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Mach Two




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭petronelduca


    Possibly less, because the N4 and M50 portions of my commute are done at snail pace.

    But for the rest, from Tuam up to there, it's all motorway with the cruise control set to 120km/h (which in real life is about 113km/h



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Mo25


    Hi guys, can i ask something. Do Toyota dealerships tell you the state of charge of the battery when you service it? Like what percentage is left on the battery or used. If not how can one find out. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    An Aviloo test can give you this information outside the dealer network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,279 ✭✭✭zg3409


    The correct term is state of health. Most dealers will claim not to know or say it's ok. It is possible to get this information, according to the battery management system in the car but if car is under warranty why bother and it will only worry you unnecessarily. On some cars you can read it yourself using a mobile phone app and dongle, not sure if it can be done for this car.

    Aviloo offer independent reports on battery health but the cheaper quicker tests just believe the car itself. I am not sure it's worth it if under warranty. If buying out of warranty then a multi day battery test may be a good idea, install unit on car and drive from full to flat a few times and you can be fairly sure battery is ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Mo25


    Ok Thanks for that, was just wondering if it was part of the dealer service. I agree it may just worry you if you have that kind of information. Although i seen some review of MG5 the battery lost like 2% after 2 years and constant fast charging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,028 ✭✭✭✭josip


    2% loss after 2 years would be excellent. Some cars can lose up to 5% in the first year after which the rate of declines slows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Mo25


    Hi guys, my dc fast charging has dropped significantly during the last week. I know the weather was horrible but still.. i tried charging at 60% charge and was only getting 14kwh in. The temp was 11 degrees. Since i got the car in the summer I hadn’t got anything over 85kwh even when the battery was low. Is this normal for bz4x?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,830 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    The BZ4X doesn't have a great charging curve. Basically drops off from about 30% SoC. Drops below 100kWh after 45% SoC. Your experience in cold weather would indicate that the battery wasn't pre-heated before charging. Not sure if the BZ4X does this, but most cars that have it, need to have the charger set as a destination or waypoint in the navigation system.

    Edit: Just checked and it seems you can do this from the app. But best done while plugged in at home or the charger, not sure if it can be done on the road.

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