Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

I do agree, however, IF he was genuinely seeking asylum, I can't for the life of me see how it would take any more than a couple of days to verify his claims. If there is even the sligtest hole or discrepancy in his story, he should be immediately deported. This carry on of taking months upon months is ridiculous.

Anyone with information that backs up their claim of asylum which cannot be verified easily and almost immediately should be deported. It is incumbent up on those seeking asylum to be able to quickly prove their claim with veracity or else be turned away.

That person still has a right to be here.

Our laws also state that a person who enters the country without a valid passport can stay here and apply for asylum.

If anything this particular case highlights how daft it is that something is both legal and illegal. In this case it appears the judge released the guy and also wiped his criminal record, but that his basis for doing so was essentially that he had some knowledge of Turkish political oppression and felt the guy was genuine, without a detailed hearing on the legitimacy of his case.

How then could they have jailed Eritrean IPAs having come from a country which is very restrictive in issuing passports?

Did McDowell introduce this law? I've a feeling there'll be lengthy and very expensive legal challenges.

He used a false passport. This is why I think he should be in jail.

This is why I think anyone coming without a passport should also be in jail and not in a tent/hotel.

Very expensive legal challenges? I guess just put that onto the Irish taxpayers bill.

This should not be happening. People without documentation should be jailed and processed within a week, and if they can't supply sufficient evidence within a week of their claims, they should be deported.

If they boarded a plane or a boat and upon arrival do not have the documentation they required to gain access to that plane or boat, they should be returned to where they arrived from. I can't see how that would be difficult to implement. People who claim asylum honestly should have verifiable information to prove who they are, where they came from and why they are claiming asylum. If they do not, it would be fair to not believe them.

I'm not anti immigration. I am against people who cannot prove who they are coming to the country.

Huge f*cking difference.

I would rather a higher tax bill in the short term to fix this issue rather than have thousand upon thousands of illegal immigrants living here in the long term.

Ok…

I'll ask you one more time to not falsely claim that I am anti-immigration. Otherwise I will assume you are trolling me and I will not engage with you any further.

The turkish example you gave does show there are legitimate reasons why someone wouldn't have a passport. This is why he should be detained until proof could be ascertained. He shouldn't be spared jail until his claims had been verified and the details of his previous criminal history had been examined. This should have been done quite quickly. It wasn't.

And yes, we should send thousands of people back to where they came from/imprisoned if they are caught at an airport or ferryport with no documentation or have been found to have destroyed their documentation. I admit, the NI border is trickier and will need more consideration, but the open and shut case of the Turkish man with the fake German passport is a different story.

People abusing the system will continue happening until we stop letting it happen. You seem to be ok with it though.

It is commonly used. By people like you. It is also incorrect and purposely negatively misrepresentative of people who disagree with you. It lumps people with genuine concerns with those who are overtly racist. Clever tactic to silence people from vocalising their concerns for fear of being labelled some sort of "far right" racist.

It's losing it's effectiveness though.

My belief about the Turkish man's case is very different. Which is why I am voicing my opinion as to how it is wrong.

I want people to come to the country legally and people who come without documentation to be detained until their story is corroborated and deported if there is any discrepancy in their story.

Haven’t posted here in a good while but you’re still banging the same drum, no point in trying to limit asylum seekers, just accept we’ll have to accommodate any numbers that arrive here claiming asylum even though it’s increased from 3000 a year to a projected 22000 this year but somehow we should have planned for this?

There’s no point in complaining, it’s a done deal at this stage. The numbers arriving will just keep increasing, Fintan and Kitty will write about our lack of housing them on arrival, morning Ireland will continue to interview lads who trekked all around Europe and ended up in a tent on the canal.

It will only take one or two multinationals to leave Ireland and the whole house of cards will collapse.

You seem to want to only selectively apply the laws you like.

Yet again you refuse to see the insanity of the stance you take.

If anyone can come to Ireland on a false passport and a sob story. Claim asylum, even if not granted more than likely will get to stay in the country anyway because as you say were would we even send them. Then what is the point in any type of system or even a border?

How about a more relaxed border allow migrants in but give them nothing unless they work . This basically what heppens with EU workers.

I don't think giving people nothing is the solution. I could only see it leading to crime and exploitation.

I would favour further restrictions on the right to work for those whose asylum applications don't appear to be genuine, coupled with a removal of the failed hard border approaches we have now.

But it's an interesting point you raise. Migration increased hugely along the southern US border once restrictive measures were introduced. Previously people largely came and left to do mostly seasonal work in the Southern US states. Once border restrictions were introduced it seems people were far more likely to stay, as they might not have then been able to return. This graph shows how numbers living undocumented in the US increased hugely as harder border measures were introduced.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/what-we-know-about-unauthorized-immigrants-living-in-the-us/

EU border protection measures I would think are the hardest in the world.

We fund militias to imprison and torture people on migrant routes.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/12/06/the-secretive-libyan-prisons-that-keep-migrants-out-of-europe

Nearly 30k known to be dead or missing in the Mediterranean in the last ten years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_migrant_vessel_incidents_on_the_Mediterranean_Sea

The majority of children on migrant routes are exposed to sexual abuse.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/children-migrating-europe-experience-horrific-rates-violence-abuse-and-trauma-report

So I can certainly see why somebody would stay and not have to face that again.

We should make it easier to come into the country and we should also allow anyone to go to any ferry port in the world, say they want to go to Ireland and be taken here no questions asked

A more relaxed border?? How would that work?? The Irish government tell every airport, airline and travel agent that if someone wants to come here, just let them on for free and invoice us??

I think that’s the only way it could be more relaxed than it already is.