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For those of us that can't recharge an EV at home, what's the point of an EV?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,899 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I love EVs, have 2 of them now and never going back

    However, you are correct. You're not missing anything. They're not worth it without your own charger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    Yeah I wouldn't recommend one to anyone that doesn't have off street parking. Would be a major inconvenience and more expensive because of that inconvenience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    You need home charger,oh has ev 6 weeks,saved alot on fuel,approx 10e to fill battery,gives 330km range,large ev.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 366 ✭✭Jon Doe


    That's just over 3€ / 100km! That's very good! I take it you don't live in the city center?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭65535


    For me it's the low component count - I don't have to look at the road under the car every morning to see if I have another oil leak or listen out for weird engine noises.

    The service interval is fabulous as well - minor things like extended brake pads due to the motor slowing the car down depening on your regenerative braking choice, quieter on the road and instant torque.

    Is there a way to bring a charging cable over to the car at night ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    EV is easier to drive, especially in traffic and around cities, faster, cleaner, less complicated to fix, quieter. No need to go to petrol station. There are disadvantages also.

    But if your main goal is to save money on fuel then not having home charging makes that pointless.

    But fuel economy is not everyone's primary reason for choosing a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭yermanthere


    The only way public charging would work is if there's multiple " plugs" within a 10 minute walk of your home. Or you have guaranteed charging at work, but what about holidays? Anything else is bonkers.

    No cost saving and hassle.

    Buy a hybrid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,490 ✭✭✭✭fits


    plug in hybrid would be completely pointless if it can’t be plugged in.

    I had to do a rare fuel refill in our other car this week. God I hate smelly fuel stations.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,899 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I charge both EVs in work all the time (once a week each car) and don't have a home charger.

    On holidays, I am either away and car is at home or I am away in the car in which case I am public charging anyway



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,761 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    DONT DO IT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭freddieot


    How is an ev easier to drive than an ice car ? If you compare a basic spec manual ice with an average ev then I can see why but not if you compare cost with cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Located in suburban area,off street parking.You need home charging,I wouldn't consider an ev without home charging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭yermanthere


    I never said plug in hybrid. Because it needs a plug. Just a regular hybrid/ hev/ whatever they are calling it. But ok, object to something I never said .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Its 1.48 a litre, if you subtract the savings from the fuel cost, if a petrol station was selling fuel for that price imagine the queues, another point is the short journeys will not return 5.4l/100km, cold engine etc. Urban is around 6.7l/100km using that its a saving of 3.46 or 1.20 a litre.

    I have a phev, I would charge out and about, but only if I am at a place where there is a charger, the hassle for me is about 30 seconds, boot, charger, plug in and swipe.

    I would not like to be depending on public charging.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    You get a lot of people who have never tried operating an EV without home charging who well tell you how they wouldn't consider it, and that it doesn't work.

    The reality is much more nuanced, OP is somewhat correct the per km operating cost isn't there when relying on public charging, but like most people my motoring purchases are not purely economic decisions on the minimal costs for me to get from a to b.

    We're at a point in the EV transition where the upfront purchase premium has disappeared when you compare similar specs and capabilities, this means that a given individual is much less likely to need a per km saving to justify their purchase on total cost of operation grounds.

    That leaves the two major criticisms as range anxiety and charging time. With the massive improvements to Irish charging networks over the last 18 months, and the battery sizes of current models I think that range anxiety is like a scary monster under the bed, it's an issue that lives in your mind until you start driving a recent EV at which point you realise it's massively overblown and based on people's experience of cars in 2016 and the dismal charging networks of that time.

    Charging time when relying on public charging is the place where you may need to make some adaptations to match your new car purchase. Instead of driving to a petrol station and filling up your car every other week, you are going to plug in the car whilst doing other stuff. I lived in an apartment in Knocklyon I'd take the car down to Supervalu and plug it into the DC charger whilst doing my shopping. That would generally do me for the week of travel. At other points during the week I'd plug into AC chargers at destinations. Often this would be enough to make the supermarket charge redundant but wasn't critical to my week.

    The main things a person should consider before operating an EV without home charging is the local charging situation, there's a huge difference between living in South Dublin where there's multiple options for DC charging and living in the middle of nowhere where there's no chargers, though it's far more likely for property in the middle of nowhere to have off street charging access.

    To OP, buy the car you want to drive at a price you are willing to pay, don't worry too much about choice of drivetrain and be wary of the people without experience telling you what does and doesn't work. It's ok if don't want to move to an EV today, charger availability is getting better all the time, car charging capabilities and battery sizes improve every year. You'll only be forced to buy a new non-combustion engine car starting in 11 years, decent quality used ones will still be on the road well into the 2050's. The situation by then will be very different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Instant response, instant high torque, one gear (mostly), smooth as silk, one pedal driving. In traffic it's night and day. Automatic ICE isn't in the race. Getting out at junctions, gaps in traffic, or lanes on motorway is so easy.

    I still like driving a manual, but only on a empty twisty road. In traffic it's a real pita.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I could see how someone could make an EV work if you don't have a home charger. But it will depend on your local infrastructure. These a decent amount of chargers near me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭freddieot


    I take your point. I would like the sharp instant power for sure. It's a great safety feature.

    however, I still think that if you compare a reasonable spec and power ice with a similar cost bev then its not such a severe comparison.

    As an example my previous car, 192 kodiaq style awd 190bhp auto was very comfortable, well specced and never held me back at roundabouts. To get the same spec on a bev and avail of extra performance costs more I would think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Cost is an entirely different subject. You asked me how is it easier. It just is.

    Fundamentally an electric motor has utterly different way of working. No ICE can compete with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,899 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Yeah it could be done alright. There's a good few chargers near enough to me too including the 2 ionity sites in kill plus a few decent apple greens. There's probably a load more around I don't know about.

    I still wouldn't recommend it, you won't save money so you'd really want to be environmentally conscious or really enjoy the drive of an EV, both of which could very well be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    For me the convenience of home charging is a major part of it. Not so much the cost of fuel. That's just a bonus. Also the pre heating.

    If I had no home charging, but was doing a lot of mileage I wouldn't get an EV. If it's was mainly local then maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭freddieot


    Cost is always important if you consider a fair logical comparison.

    However, throwing cost aside then I'll accept that an EV6 for example is easier to drive than a Dacia Sandaro but I'd still rather be in an ice Porsche. Also, no range anxiety, so therefore even more pleasant in the ice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭Cilar


    No point if you cannot charge at home. We specifically moved house 7 years ago as old one was a townhouse, anticipating the need for a driveway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You specifically asked about how its is easier. Cost is not factor in why its easier to use. It like a feather is never going to be a better hammer, no matter how much more is spent on the feather. I'm not throwing cost aside. Its just irrelevant to that discussion.

    You conflated that with performance. I wasn't talking about performance. Just ease of use. You also conflated that with bang for buck, and now personal preference and range anxiety. I don't really have range issues for my city driving.

    I'd love a Porsche but not for driving in heavy stop city traffic. I'm also not going to squeeze a family of 5 into a Porsche for a family holiday. I'd love one for weekend trips, or simply a weekend drive. Horses for courses. If someone is happy with a Dacia Sandero, then thats the right choice for them.

    If you don't want a EV don't buy one. Its that simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭freddieot


    You stated that EV cars are easier to drive than ICE cars. You have not proven that in any way. It's just a broad and misleading statement. A lot of ICE are very easy to drive, many are easier to drive than EV.

    Cost is a factor in every purchase of any product and by connection any recommendation or review. It does not suit your arguments to acknowledge that so you start mentioning hammers and feathers.

    I like EVs and may still buy an EV next time when I replace the current car but I'll be looking at the facts before making that decision. EV advocates constantly air dropping additional reasons to buy EVs that don't stand up won't change that anymore than anti-EVs over-stating the downsides.

    Getting back to the OPs original point about needing a charger at home. I think anyone that would do that unless they have some consistent reliable scenario at work would seriously regret that decision. Effectively there are hundreds of thousands of people who will never be realistically able to run an EV because they live in apartments, terraces or other areas where they cannot link to a charger unless they go to a public facility. That's not going to change this year, next year or anytime soon. I'd advise the OP to think really carefully about where they might regularly charge any EV they buy and will that scenario be permanent into the future. Definitely don't listen to any arguments about EVs that just glorify them for the sake of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 177 ✭✭Ir3


    Think I'll head off to the motors forum and start a thread saying " I dont need the range of a Diesel so whats the point of one?"🙄 Honestly baffles me that people need this explained to them.. Different fuels suit different peoples needs and you should be able to figure out which one suits you best, if someone buys an EV and it doesnt work for them well then that just means that individual person wasnt able to work that out, doesnt mean theres no point to them.

    Diesels for example are awful in my opinion but I get that for some people they are great and I wouldnt judge someone for that choice but in this country people are so brain washed they cant see that EV's are a great option for certain people. Its a really stupid mentality.

    I ran a Diesel for 7 years before buying an EV and it was a terrible choice as our useage case as a family does not suit this type of car so it blew 2 turbos in that time, I dont blame BMW for that, I blame myself for running a Diesel when I shouldnt have.

    Also just to state the obvious, EV's are also a really poor choice for some people, like those without a home charger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I gave you a technical explanation why. You either understand that or you don't.

    If cost is the big issue why you taking about Porsches, or new car for that matter.

    Most of those with an EV on this thread have said they wouldn't get one without home charging. Not entirely sure how that's glorifying anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,984 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Found this stat.. From the US

    "…survey queried 500 EV drivers in the United States, revealing a key finding: While 86.0% of EV drivers now have access to a home charger, 59.6% still use public chargers weekly…"

    Also the uk

    "...The findings reveal that 84% of EV drivers have access to a charging point at home (a figure which has remained relatively constant since 2019). The vast majority (90%) of EV drivers use the UK's public charging network on a regular basis, with most utilising it more or less monthly..."



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    What EV were you daily driving when you didn't have access to home charging? Your experience can vary greatly depending on the car and where you live so it would be good to dig into the details that have led to you providing such strongly worded advice to OP.



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