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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They turned themselves into a theocratic state, just like Iran did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Joe Biden saying he does not support an Israeli strike on Iran's nuclear facilities. Also, Israel has nuclear reactors as well - an eye for an eye exchange would not be in Israel's interests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Looks like the US will hit Iran. The US did say Iran would face "Serious Consequences".

    Hit with sanctions that is!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    It's far worse than that. Jews will be a target in most countries in the world. I mentioned it in a previous post. For every action there is a reaction. They are sowing the seeds of future terrorists in the last year.

    The Israelis should call the bluff of Iran and their proxies by calling for a ceasefire. Let's see who blinks first.

    The UN troops should be evacuated, they serve no purpose in bunkers and given the waring parties indiscriminate bombing, they are sitting ducks



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,903 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Anything but. Both the Czech PM and the Czech President are ardent NATO supporters (The latter being former Chief of the Czech Army) and not exactly friends to Putin.

    Massive is going to be a relative term. Seven deaths in a day's fighting of an initial invasion, fourteen in two, is an administrative exercise for an army. Israel reported sixteen casualties after two days in Gaza last year, so we're not talking ridiculously disproportionate numbers here.

    Israel is one of those countries which takes "lead from the front" to ridiculous extremes, arguably a little too much so. Perhaps the ultimate example was the Entebbe raid in which the only Israeli loss was a Lt Colonel, Bibi Netanyahu's brother. Still, it does seem likely that they managed to hit a command element, maybe they got a little closer than they should have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,415 ✭✭✭CPTM


    When you say "Looks like" where are you looking?

    Edit sorry didn't see the last line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The point is it got Israel to modify its behaviour at that point in time. Shamir called off the attacks on Lebanon. If Biden fully suspended military aid Bibi might well be brought to heel too. You are never going to have America fundamentally shift it's approach to Israel, but there are things they can do to reign them in if the political will is there. We will see if that will is there should Harris get elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Maybe, but i would not like to be a US soldier staying on a base within 2000 km of Iran.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Israel is a disaster. The US wont give up on̈ it tho and keeps throwing good money after bad. The jewish state should have been put in upstate new York or alaska like it was proposed after ww2 not down beside a nation of people they hate. Palestinians who live there dont have a state so it would be fair for the Israeli not to have a state there either.... the land is too contentious. Move the jewish state somewhere out of there before the innocent death tools on both sides goes into the millions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭meepins


    Yes, Israel is an illegitimate country and shouldn't exist. All forms of resistance to these evil genocidal lunatics is righteous. What they do to the Palestinians - they would do to us with no doubt, no remorse or pity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,668 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Well it does exist and will continue to exist and defend itself so you'll have to just suck it up. Hamas terrorists have already been arrested across Europe for planning to kill people on the streets so I think they're the more pressing danger to the people of Ireland/Europe rather than israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,218 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Looks like Israel's response might be imminent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭meepins


    ".. will continue to exist"

    I doubt it.

    "Hamas terrorists"

    They are not terrorists. Israel and the US are terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭radiospan


    And there is nothing anti-semitic about this opinion. (I don't hold this opinion, but it's not racist)

    The way the country was created, and where it was created is what you have a problem with. And you would have the same problem if it was Arabs, or Germans or Irish who created a country in such a way.

    Saying "Israel is an illegitimate country and should not exist" is quite simply not racist and not anti-semitic in my view. It has nothing to do with the fact that the people who created the state are Jewish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 393 ✭✭meepins


    I don't need to be in any way defensive about my opinion. Only morally depraved cretins have a problem with anything I've said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The suspicion is that the Israeli regime is using recent events to justify launching a major pre-emptive strike on Iran and disabling its nuclear capacity. This may be Netanyahu's real motivation and end game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,668 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Yeah but it's a pointless statement because the country does exist and short of time travel being invented it will continue to. Remember at the start of the other thread when we were constantly told "no one is saying israel shouldn't exist", because it was generally accepted then, just a year ago, that stating such was unacceptable? Well now they are. I can't think of any other country in the world whose very existence is so objectionable to people to the point where they seriously propose that it be moved (how would that even happen logistically?) or just cease to exist (again, how would that even work?) Its just the one jewish country in the world, set up for the very reason that people tried to get them to stop existing, that they have a problem with. Weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Massive is going to be a relative term. Seven deaths in a day's fighting of an initial invasion, fourteen in two, is an administrative exercise for an army. Israel reported sixteen casualties after two days in Gaza last year, so we're not talking ridiculously disproportionate numbers here.

    Everything is relative.

    Anyway the 8 deaths were Elite commandos in a very limited incursion so far.

    The point remains Hezbollah are a more formidable, equipped and experienced foe than Hamas as is the Lebanon as an arena.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,148 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    What? And deny the zealots the end time apocalypse and reconstruction of the temple?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,256 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Eight IDF soldiers killed, seven very seriously injured and three Markova tanks destroyed resulting in the IDF retreating from the area. This is getting very serious now and just goes to prove that old men make war and young men die. Time for talks and sort this out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    israel has taken out almost the entirety of hezbollah senior command structure they are prepared to lose some troops if necessary to allow the return of tens of thousands of israelis citizens to their homes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,809 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Yeah, I know what the point is. My point point is that American foreign still didn't change in any significant way and it won't under any President. Support of Israel is built into the American political landscape and it will continue to be that way until she no longer has any of her own interests there, regardless if they wag a finger every now and then.

    Should Biden (and Harris) be more strict with Israel? Yes. Will they in an election year? Absolutely not. The Jewish vote is far too important to them in the time that's in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,996 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I suppose invading Lebanon and coming face to face with the defenders is different from facing the women and children of Gaza



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Yeah, that's just another twitter troll engagement account. Clear out your feed:-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    But it is failed state. It is not safe place to live or travel from. It is matter of time before it completely goes tho i do agree it will be a slow and painful death fot it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Israel will not make inroads in South Lebanon. They will get stuck and suffer heavy casualties same as 2006.

    Its asymmetric warfare - Hezbollah may lack air support but they more than make up for it with ATGMs, missiles and Man pads. That plus the terrain will make it exceedingly difficult for the IDF to gain ground.

    IEDs also were involved in some of these early casualties - presumably Hezbollah has large swathes of the border area booby trapped.

    Those thinking Hezbollah will roll over or be destroyed are very wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,492 ✭✭✭leath_dub


    As usual, these discussions descend into whataboytery, promoted by the gentile admirers of Israel.

    "Why criticise Israel for doing X when <insert despotic regime of choice> is doing A, B and C? Is it because you're anti-Semitic?" 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I wasn't suggesting that it would nor do i expect it ever will, just that is is possible to get the Israeli government to modify their behaviour if the political will is there

    I am well aware they won't do anything in an election year, which is why Bibi is so emboldened. I am not confident Harris will do anything to reign in Bibi if elected, but let's see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    Iran not looking for war according to their president

    try firing 200 missiles at most countries like US, Russia, Israel, China and we can all guess what might happe as a result....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,809 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The political situation is very different though. Reagan merely suspended delivery of jets to Israel because they attacked an ally of theirs, Iraq. The Reagan admin was supporting Saddam Hussain at the time and Israeli attacks on Iraq was a strict no no. Reagan, or more to the point his administration, didn't want to see Iraq weakened in any way as a prolonged conflict between them and Iran was in America's interests. America's move at the time was purely strategic and had nothing to do with any kind of altruism.

    At present, Israel isn't attacking any US allies. The US, as a political entity, doesn't give a crap about Palestine. Nor does it really care all that much if Israel weakens Iran. They may not want things to get too out of hand, as in an all out war. But they won't rock the boat too much with regards to their support for Israel.

    And I'll say this too, if Reagan was in the middle of a re-election campaign right now and under the same circumstances. He wouldn't say shit either.

    We'll see how the US proceeds after the election and what path it will take with regards to its support for Israel.



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