Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

It is whataboutery though.

They are valid, I will give you that. However the original posters story was off cyclists not adhering to red lights and lollipop signs, you bringing in what cars are doing just avoids or sidesteps the original posters point.

I am not denying that cars and trucks do bad stuff that will endanger cyclists, they will always do that. Much in the same way that pedestrians will give right of way to cars, cyclists (I am a motorcyclist and cyclist, in Canada at the minute) should give cars the same wide birth. Right of way means nothing when the vehicle has right of weight.

You're literally in this thread saying that someone pointing out they've seen dangerous behaviour by car drivers is "whataboutery" when in reality cars are, by several magnitudes, more dangerous to pedestrians than anything else on the road, as shown by those statistics.

Complaining about aggressive behaviour by cyclists is just absolutely the most transparently dishonest debating tactic on this forum by now, and nobody with any sense is fooled by it.

Anyone disobeying the instructions of lollipop men or women where children are crossing roads, bike lanes or whatever, be they in a car, bus, lorry, on a motorbike or on a bicycle are fully deserving of criticism.

It is not acceptable behaviour by any road user, full stop.

I can’t believe we are even debating that.

Yeah went down over the weekend with my 7yo, getting through the bsuiness park is a bit odd alright, they way they advise on the maps requires you to cycle under a barrier that states "No cycling under barrier".

I wonder if there's any space to make that gravel footpath a little wider to accomdate a cycle path on it

It started fast, but then slowed down. Seems like a long time since they started it to be fair.
Hoarding has come down on the building closest to the petroleum station now.

There have one outside Da Mimmo. None outside the pharmacy or shop/Post Office there, and none at the cafe across the road.

Sheffield stands are something that are easy enough to put in, once they are lobbied for.

What's the story with the no left turn at Edges corner? Is that permanent, was it always planned? I find it a large inconvenience, not sure why it was deemed necessary.

Also, has anyone noticed all the cars trying to turn right onto Poplar Row from Fairview? Google Maps is suddenly directing people that way, but there's always been a no right turn there.

Okay cool thanks. I was doing a longer detour via Marino Park and Brian Road - didn't realize you could loop around sooner.