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Budget 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,469 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The point of that payment is for the extra cost at Christmas. It's not some revelation that we need Smyths staff to leak to us.

    Also the baby payment is exactly for the extra cost incurred by a new baby. Maybe some don't need certain things but they might need other things.

    Some people will spend it on heroin but FFS we can't be making our budgets based on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Greyian


    Ultimately there is limited scope for tax changes to materially impact people's financials.

    This example sees the person better off to the tune of €250/year, which isn't much. But it also sees there their total deductions drop from €6990 to €6740 which is a drop in their deductions of 3.6%.

    People will say a 3.6% drop in income tax/PRSI/USC is pathetic, but would be apoplectic if there was a 3.6% increase instead.

    Ultimately the individual in this example has an effective tax rate of 16%, which is quite low. There's limited scope for benefit from tax reductions if someone is already paying low amounts of tax.

    If somebody wants higher take home pay, the expectation should be on securing that from the employer, not the government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭poppers


    just checked on PWC calculator

    basic Single person full time employnet at variuos salarys no pension or BIK taken in to account.

    gross salary

    25k you are €225 better off (€22649 nett pay effictive tax rate of 9.4%)

    35k you are €324 better off (€29960 nett effictive tax rate 14.4%)

    45K you are €814 better off ((€37.048 nett effictive tax rate 17.7%)

    50k you are €859 better off (€39962nett effictive tax rate of 20.1%)

    100K you are €1019 better off (€64631 nett effictive tax rate of 35.4%)

    €200k you are €909 better off (€112506 nett effictive tax rate of 43.7%)

    https://www.pwc.ie/issues/budget/income-tax-calculator.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Some people have very short memories. I said it already here. Once nothing is being taken away (Direct taxes) then i'll not really give a jot.

    But they are my circumstances in fairness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Looking at those figures, I feel sympathy for well paid folk having to give away so much of their income.

    The higher tax band should be set at 50k to keep up with inflation and stealth taxes like electricity and fuel levies.



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  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    People who pay more tax get bigger tax cuts...makes perfect sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭Augme


    Berties boys, Simon and Micheal have done the man proud. I don't know why they don't end the pretense that they are a seperate party at this stage. They should unite under the one party and and have their idol Bertie run inthe next Presidential election. It's what all of FFG want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    I loved the woman on the radio today o I have 5 kids great for me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,895 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Anyone notice that Harris and Martin are doing the radio rounds for the past day, but O'Gorman is absent



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,593 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    lol. Are you actually giving out about the children’s allowance being spent in Smyths on the kids. Hahahahaha.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,895 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    and even Hourigan is absent from the airwaves. And she is financially knowledgeable. Most odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,824 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The thing with inflation is people tend to focus on the "spot" figures - the montly/quarterly or annual figure. This doesn't really paint the full picture - the rate of in flation may be lower, but the base prices that rate is measured on is much higher than the base prices 5 years ago because the four years of inflation is the total of all of the annual rates……the rate may be lower but the base prices have been much higher to measure that upon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I didn't say that they didn't so thank you for the pointless comment.

    I was contradicting people saying that majority of people will be €1k better off. Some stated exact figures that were clearly just made up as per the online calculators can prove.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭65535


    Budget 2025 raises funding for horseracing and greyhounds to €99m

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41487482.html

    So now our taxes are paying for animal cruelty and gambling

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41415379.html

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41445946.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,327 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …and we ll vote ffg back in again and again and again, keep the recovery going folks!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    One of the biggest failings of our media and education systems is the inability for people to look past € savings and to percentages instead

    No doubt there will commentary about how someone on €500k is saving €1,000 - someone on €60k is saving only €700 and therefore it’s a ‘regressive’ budget. Just such a poor grasp of maths.

    Irish times had a great table in the week showing how since 2011 and FG governments. Lower and middle income workers have seen their already low tax burdens fall enormously in percentage terms whereas higher income earners have seen almost no change. Strange given that supposedly every single budget is only for the well off..

    https://www.irishtimes.com/your-money/2024/09/24/how-13-years-of-fine-gael-have-changed-your-taxes/



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The thing is, (using your numbers) someone on €500k might only be better off by €1000, but they won't even notice it.

    While those who are on €60k and below who only gain €700 are still struggling to make ends meet.

    That's what people look at the day after budget day, not what happened since 2011.

    I can understand why those people would feel they weren't looked after.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    A lot of the toys are educational. What is wrong with that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Ireland already has the most progressive tax system in the world. The ability to significantly further rebalance the tax burden to place more on higher earners and less on lower earners is extremely limited.


    Anybody qualified to comment who looks at our tax system immediately says:

    • Too narrow
    • Heavily reliant on a small number of higher income workers.

    As someone further up in this thread says. If you’re a low or middle income worker in Ireland, your income tax burden is not where your attention should be and you should not be seeking further ‘relief’ from budgets. It’s already world leading in how little tax is paid at these income levels.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I hear what you're saying, but that is too much nuance for your average Joe Public who is not qualified to comment on our tax system.

    They only see that they will only benefit by €300 a year more than someone on almost ten times their income. (Again, using your figures).

    They DGAF about what happened between 2011 and now.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    The increase in stamp duty on property above €1.5 million to 6% is a move that was not expected.

    I think that the exemption of the Principle Private Residence from capital gains tax is good, but it should not be extended to those flipping houses for w quick buck. I would think it should not apply if the property is held for say 5 years, with perhaps lower rates for 3 or 4 years.

    Valuation of properties needs to be revisited. No habitable house is worth less than €200,000 in the current market.

    The absence of taxes on supply of water is quite unusual in Europe. That needs to be revisited but is unlikely politically, but the EU might have other ideas.

    Overall, the budget gave away too many untargeted benefits, but overall that was to be expected prior to a GE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Agreed, hence my finger pointing at our education system which leaves 99.9% of our population having 0 clue about these things…and a media that plays into populist hype whenever it can!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Agree across the boards. Our exceptionally low levels of LPT alongside the comical valuations that are accepted are the single biggest area that needs to be addressed but such a hot potato (as per water chargers).

    Does look like revenue will now be going after the undervaluation part going forward by lowering specific clearance from €1m. Suspect plenty are in for a shock just when they think their sale is about to close and they’re landed with multiple years LPT + penalties…will probably make the Dail and be waived when it gets too unpopular though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Because they don't pay enough tax anyway. I'm just under 1K better off. I was increasing my pension contributions on January anyway. This just covers a good chunk of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭jj880


    Ireland may be low tax for lower income earners but when basic essentials like food are inflating to oblivion at a ridiculous rate it hits lower income earners harder. The government are getting their share of that higher price in tax also.

    Instead of these BS giveaway budgets heating up the economy (including basically tax breaks for builders, heat pump sellers etc who will just add it to their prices anyway) why can't they tackle high prices for energy, food, property etc properly? A crash with a massive national debt will be no craic.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,895 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    How do I tender for the 9 million phone storage stuff. Get some ziplock bags, felt pens, from China, send them around schools = loadsa profit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    What steps would you take as the Irish government to lower the price of food and energy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭combat14




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭Kathnora


    I think you're missing my point that blowing the extra allowance money on toys could leave some parents short of money for expenses like clothing, footwear and school expenses. I do think that the idea behind providing the allowance is to help parents meet such basic expenses. Nothing wrong with using some of it for Christmas toys (I ain't no Scrooge) but some parents do lose the run of themselves with extra cash…. hence my suggestion to increase the monthly allowance itself.



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