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Best Electricity Plan for new EV Owners

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭Dozz


    Hi

    I am with Energia on their Smart Drive plan and am out of contract on the 5th of October.

    Unit rates are 0.3386 6 a.m. to 2 a.m.and 0.0754 from 2-6 a.m.

    Rang them today to see what they could do if I stayed with them and I was told that they wont do anything on the pricing as it is a unique plan.

    Anyone here have the same experience and if so did you manage to get any reduction on the unit prices even on the day rate?

    I really dont want to change supplier in order to get a discount with them but if I have to then I will.

    Cheers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭fafy


    I tried to negotiate on this Energia plan but failed ! It has 4 hours at a very low rate of 7.64 inc vat, which is unique, and as export is 24 cent, when i factor everything in, it offers the most flexibility. Standing charge is good @ €236.62 inc vat. Pinergy was close at 5.45 cent, and slightly better export of 25 cent.

    The day rate is irrelevant to me as i don’t use hardly any day rates.

    Energia are overdue a price reduction, so maybe one is coming, as from what i can see they are the only ones not to have a price reduction in more than 6 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭Dozz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    That's not too bad. Have you tried energypal? I'm on the BG EV plan it might be worth looking at if you can fit everything into the smaller window (2-5).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Just rang Electric Ireland (tied into a contract until Feb '25).

    I currently pay €0.3287 minus a 18% discount = €0.2629. I have solar being installed in mid Oct including a 10kWh battery.


    From Nov 1st, their night rate with a smart meter is as follows...

    €0.34c 8am-11pm

    €0.1693 11-8am

    €0.9c 2-4am 


    Includes 5.5% discount but I lose my current 18% if I switch but there is an electric car to be charged every week or so.


    They will buy back excess energy from the solar for €0.21c per unit if I switch.

    Anything I'm missing?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭pah


    2 hrs ev window isn't great 14.5kWh into your car. Check what rate your inverter will charge your battery. Mine is 3.5kW so takes about 1hr 20 to go from 10% to 100%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Yeah I thought the window was small alright and I also need to ask about the charging speed, something I didn't check.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 484 ✭✭Dozz


    Thanks for the reply.

    I do a lot in the 4 hour window that is available at the cheaper rate, charge a hybrid car, fill a 5kw solar battery, run the immersion, dishwasher and washing machine. Dont think I could do all of that in the 3 hour window as the car alone has a 12kw battery and I can only get about 3kw an hour into that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭pah


    Just switched to Energia smart drive for the 7.54c 2am to 6am rate. Just picked up our second EV. With 2 cars and the house battery I'm estimating 150kWh per week utilizing that EV rate. Over 12 months it's €650 cheaper than my previous 15.94c night rate.

    The difference in day rate from 27.26 to 33.86 at 6.6c would buy almost 10K kWh for that €650 or nearly 30kWh per day on average which I'll be nowhere near using (5900kWh last year before solar installation)

    If anyone sees any glaring holes in my numbers please advise 🤓



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    There is a monthly allowance after which the price increases it isn't a huge jump but just double check your usage to see if you'll come close to exceeding it. The day rate was just too high for me to consider it as I'm only using about 20-30kw per week in the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Electric Ireland are not charging a standing charge to have a night rate once you've a smart meter. Is this a new thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Dayor Knight


    "electric car to be charged every week or so"

    This plan has to be worth a look for you:

    Home Electric+ Weekender

    Electricity prices per unit (cent per kWh)

    Up to 31st Oct

    From 1st Nov

    Standard Day unit price

    39.33 c/kWh

    37.35 c/kWh

    Effective Day unit price with 5.5% direct debit and online billing discount 1

    37.16 c/kWh

    35.30 c/kWh

    As you're getting one day free (Sat or Sun) you can discount 1/7 off that rate to give an effective frate of about 30c. That's before you do all your car charging on Sat (or Sunday) for free.

    Your solar during the week will further reduce the impact of the 30 c rate.

    Have a look anyway. Works great for us (Energypal confirmed).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,723 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    If anyone is interested, I am 13 months into a 24 month contract with Pinergy. They charge just 5c / kWh between 2AM and 5AM, which is when I buy all my electricity

    I have 2 EVs and a big home battery. A lot of the electricity I buy, I sell back a few hours later for 25c / kWh feed in tariff

    My electricity bill for the whole year is so much negative, that it also pays for my gas bill. So I no longer have any bills for electricity, hot water, home heating or fuel for my cars

    You owe income tax on feed in tariff income. But there is a €400 exemption for every person on the bill. There are 5 working people in my family, they all contribute to the bill, so I get a €2000 exemption on this income

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭jlang


    So they all contribute to the negative bill, thus making it even more negative. Sure why wouldn't they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Cracking situation to be in alright. Out of interest:

    How big is the battery ?

    I assume you just stockpile electrons on the cheap 3hr rate but what can you effectively squeeze out of the grid in those 3hrs ?

    You've a large solar setup too I guess ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭Trondheim


    I got the Kia deal with Energia. Rates below, plus i got a free Zappi charger (well i pay €300, but get that back through the grant).

    I thought it was a good deal at the time, but reading above, I am not so sure!

    I have a 77KwH car, and it takes me most of the 11pm - 8 am night rate slot to charge from 10% to 80%. Does that sound very slow?

    Smart Time of Use Tariff:

    Day rate running from 8am-5pm and 7pm-11pm, with a rate of 0.3010.

    Peak rate running from 5pm-7pm, with a rate of 0.3154.

    Night rate running from 11pm-8am, with a rate of 0.1611.

    The Standing Charge will remain the same at €300.91 for the year.

    Edit: above rates include VAT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭rocky


    That's ~54kwh in 9h, or 6kw... That sounds about right, you might go to 7kw, but not much of a difference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,723 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I've an 80kWh battery, but that is overkill, I have just a standard 12kVA MIC, so max I can draw is 15kW. So I basically buy 3 hours of that every single day, so 45kWh. I would love to go 16kVA, but the ESB want over 2 grand for that, and that is without any work on my side. I want to replace my gas boiler with a heat pump in due course

    And yes I have a lot of solar PV too!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,723 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    LOL yeah I am just using the words the Minister used to describe the conditions under which you get the €400 per person. It specifically states contributing to the bill :-)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,723 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    LOL yeah I am just using the words the Minister used to describe the conditions under which you get the €400 per person exemption. It specifically states contributing to the bill 😁

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,769 ✭✭✭pah


    Yeah, above 1000kWh per bill (2 months) it increases to 8.67c per kWh. I could go up to 200 kWh over depending which would cost me €2.26 extra 👌



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 695 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    so you quite literally run the gas off the electricity to quote a father ted line 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,528 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Quite the setup, Unkel. Would be a nice story on Nationwide to try shine some (solar) light on what people can do if they could be bothered / afford the initial outlay.

    Or a Youtube video……….!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    It would make for great YT content if only someone would volunteer to host it 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭TheSunIsShining


    I thought a 12kva MIC limited you to about 12Kw max draw - not 15?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,723 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The consumer unit fuse is 63A. Times 240V will give you 15kW

    The actual ESB fuse in your meter cabinet is 80A

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Eleusis


    I don't suppose it matters as clearly they don't care, but unless I'm understanding it wrong the max allowed is 52amps continuous. Your wires must be well hot @ 63a, cause my cables (25mm2) are pretty hot at 52a. I haven't gone above that, but I suppose interesting they don't seem to care if you draw ~ 63a for 3 hours straight

    https://www.esbnetworks.ie/new-connections/understanding-connection-capacity



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Well a 12kVA connection only "needs" 16mm2

    If your 25mm2 is getting hot, have a look for other issues, especially at 52 amps.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Eleusis


    They are not dangerously hot, I suppose the word hot is relative.

    Curious though as i read you used to be a spark. . .If you draw 13a continuously (like a granny cable) on domestic plug socket it's not really advised, unless your sure of quality and infrastructure. Does the same apply to mains connection? If you have a 63a fuse is it fine to run it at the limit continuously?

    Edit: sorry your not the spark, it was allinthehead I was thinking of.



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