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Budget 2025

  • 27-09-2024 03:49PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,621 ✭✭✭


    Thought I'd create a thread for the Budget as I am sure it will generate a lot of discussion.

    The Apple money is being booked for this year so there is an even bigger surplus;

    RTE news : Govt to record surplus of between €23bn-€24bn this year

    http://www.rte.ie/news/budget-2025/2024/0927/1472381-budget-white-paper/



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Comments

  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    There is a general complaint among commentators, like the ERSI, about the lack of multi-annual funds for departments. This is a particular problem for infrastructure, but is a Gov wide problem.

    One aspect it that it prevents proper future planning of expenditure. Another is the fact that funds not spent at year end just die and are returned to the pot so mad items get funded so that does not happen.

    So we can hope the Apple billions get set aside for long term projects that are essential and will benefit from long term funding.

    Metrolink, M20, Eirgrid, and Irish Water all fall into this category. Particularly, the water supply for Dublin. These are all essential, and need long term funding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,284 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Thank you 😊 I was gonna open up a thread myself for this budget 2025



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,844 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    They're planning on cutting the USC by 1%

    Why not cut the bloody thing entirely? I suppose that means they wouldn't be able to campaign in the upcoming election on scrapping the USC

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,578 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    what’s the highest rate of tax you pay on income?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,803 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    USC is a good tax! Flat rate means that everyone contributes which widens the tax base. Getting rid of it would be a colossal error. They could re-name it maybe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,986 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The USC has the features of a good tax:

    broad base

    low rate



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Plus it is much harder to avoid, particularly by high earners, and the self-employed.

    I think that is the reason it is so hated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,928 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Only a populist fool would scrap USC. The tax base should be broadened not narrowed.

    Irish government strategy is relying on high earners and corporations which is currently working and bring in high exchequer returns but is a recipe for disaster if something changes or goes wrong as with crisis of 2008.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If they are looking at tax cuts, I would have thought raising the higher rate band threshold would be a better target than reducing any USC.

    USC has, and likely will always have, a reputational issue but its by far the best tax on the books.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    I would suggest that property tax is a better tax, but it is pitched too low and applies to the owner. Also, capital gains tax on property is very hard to avoid.

    Also, many houses are declared as being valued in the lowest band, which, currently, for a habitable home is nonsense.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Fair point, but the implementation of property taxes in Ireland leaves a lot to be desired I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭fliball123


    AS much as I would get a benefit this narrows the tax base, we are also spending 4.5 Billion a year more if we take the excessive additional corpo tax away, this is not sustainable. The levels of corpo tax IMO has peaked this year. We will see the EU harmonization effects come in and other countries looking at how much money Ireland have got and will try and compete going forward. Trump has indicated that the US will be competing so in 10 years time we wont have this cash and our yearly expenditure will be through the roof and our deficit and borrowing getting bigger and bigger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    Are there changes to tax credits on the cards? Doesn't appear to be much for those earning less than 40k…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,942 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    There'll probably be something but I'll wait rather than speculate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,947 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Sounds like more giveaways again this year, you'd nearly think there was an election looming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭Juran


    Increase of €12 for long term unemployed & job seekers what I just read on RTE. There are so many open jobs in this country, we are importing both low and high skilled workers every week from EU and outside the EU. Its a decrease in welfare* rates which is needed as an incentive to go out and get a job. I really don't get the mentality ??

    I exclude disability, carers, pensions, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I don't mind the USC but I think it's relying too heavily of middle earners. 100k isn't really high earner anymore but that person is taking on massive work and responsibilities to simply support everything else. If such people didn't still struggle to make ends meet as a family ok but you probably need to earn 150 now to be able to afford the 8% rate. I think the 8% should be reduced to 6% until 150k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    Yeah it's great to see the welfare lifestyle being made even more attractive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,947 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Madness. There seems to be no will to get long term claimants off the dole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Ivor_Guddon


    yep it sickens me tbh , why not get the longterm gougers out to sweep the streets for their cash or clean up the parks etc , make them do like 5 hrs a week etc



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    100k is categorically a high earner. Exceptionally high even. It would have you in the top decile of all household incomes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    On paper yes but for someone in a decent area of Dublin with a couple of kids and a mortgage isn't going to feel very rich on 100k after the last coue of years of inflation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭Dr.Tom


    You might spare a thought so for those of us living in a town in Cork with a mortgage and a couple of kids earning half that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭fliball123


    You do realize that the person on 100k that the additional 50k would see them lose half due to the ridiculously high income taxes we have here and the government taking 25k on them. then the mortgage/rent differential between trying to get a gaff in Cork and Dublin would take another large chunk out of the remaining in 25k. God forbid if they have a kid or 2 with the cost differential for a creche. Then this is before the all of the higher costs that people pay in Dublin as apposed to Cork would see the differential being almost completely gone. So why should they spare any thought for anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I was going to respond but then I saw you'd done it for me. +1

    Generally people on 100k are doing more for it and while we surely need a progressive tax system the burden on the squeezed middle is too excessive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭Dr.Tom


    Lot of assumptions there flabag123....

    Is €50k in Dublin not €50k in Cork?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭fliball123


    The income tax regime here punishes people and hard working people find themselves asking the question why work harder and longer, why would you bother doing O.T and then we have the moan fest when gards, nurses etc dont want to do O.T due to them losing 50% on tax + what ever it costs to do the extra work. When will the government take their feet off the neck of workers here. the 20% tax band should be extended to 60k and your tax free allowance should be upped to 30k allowing you to keep your first 30k. What is the point in people working their butts off when others will get the equivalent if not more on the dole for doing phuck all. They are actively incentivizing career and multigenerational dole heads.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    People on 100k aren't the middle no matter how much they like to pretend to themselves that they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Are you mad ? The income levy was sold to the population as the country’s finances were in bits.

    We accepted this to help the country through a bad bad time financially. We have upheld our part and most of the money needed has been paid back.

    It’s more than time to abolish it. Give it back.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 953 ✭✭✭greyday


    We owe over 200 Billion, we have paid very little back, moving tax rates/bands is far better for the average person, the USC is by far the fairest tax we have as its close to impossible to avoid it unlike income tax which can be avoided easily enough.



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