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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    The Russian army is nothing short of devil worshipping goons who have been indoctrinated to think, act, and live just as they are. It's the hallmark of the deranged man in the kremlin.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia is a dictatorship run by an inner circle, the Siloviki, the head of whom, Putin has been the decision-maker for a quarter century. There is a subservient rubber-stamping "parliament" the Duma, for show. The judiciary, the police, everything is under their control. It's a highly corrupt kleptocratic system. They imprison, poison and murder opposition, journalists, dissidents, ex-spies, business men, you name it.

    It's a mafia state.

    The US is flawed but there is no comparison, yet here you are pulling an Alex Jones. The same old false equivalence lark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    maybe geo politics plays no part in Europe what with Germany being so on point with its energy policy nor their industry having any issues, onwards and upwards , the Wirtshaftswonder has another 50 years to go at least

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,652 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Sorry, is that your answer as to what's going on in Syria? Seems like it isn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    You only have to look at how the war is operating to see the comparison.

    Can you imagine if the US military did something like the Russian military are doing 3 times a week? A convoy of 2 dozen vehicles stumble into a minefield, half are lost immediately, more are picked off by FPV drones. Hundreds of men are killed and maimed/wounded. The retreating/surrendering men are then fired upon by their own mortars to disincentivize the rest.

    Just try to imagine the **** storm in the US military high command and White house itself. They'd never survive such a public scandal. It would be a national day of mourning forevermore. But for Russia it's a Wednesday afternoon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    That doesn't address the question, it's complete whataboutery

    Perhaps make an actual point and back it up instead of all these lazy quips and Clare Daly style innuendo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Ahh so ... As long as the "raping" is beneficial to yourself its okay..... got it

    The US is just as bad as Russia, or even worse, the difference is the US uses the pre text of bringing democracy to start their illegal wars which unnescesary killed hundreds of thousands over the past decades ... their Indirect involvement cost millions of lives.... Ireland is just lucky that a lot of these so ca.led democracy bringers have Irish roots



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,625 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Far Right Pro Russian Party wins Austrian election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,625 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Herbert Kickl, the hard-right Putin ally plotting ‘Fortress Austria has vowed to end the country’s support for Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,520 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    From the BBC:

    The projections, based on initial results, give Kickl's party 29.1% - almost three points ahead of the conservative People's Party on 26.2%, but far short of a majority. The Freedom Party (FPÖ) has been in coalition before, but the second-placed conservative People's Party has refused to take part in a government led by him. Kickl's main rival, incumbent Chancellor Karl Nehammer of the People Party (ÖVP), has said it's “impossible to form a government with someone who adores conspiracy theories”… They are on course to secure about 57 seats in the 183-seat parliament, with the conservatives on 51 and the Social Democrats on 41.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rdygy5888o

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Immigration was a much bigger issue that the war in the election; the recent cancellation of the Taylor Swift gigs in Vienna helped highlight the lack of control on immigration, and the other two large parties, being in a coalition, suffered as a consequence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,625 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    How did Zelensky's peace plan go down, showed it to Biden Kamala and Donald, but not a peep since, maybe it's secret. Even Trump tight lipped about his meeting with Zelensky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,813 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Can't imagine Zelenskyy showed trump anything sensitive. Like, what would be the point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,419 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Give Trump fake battle plans and troop movements. Russia reinforces wrong areas lol

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    I'm amazed at your ability to contort facts to suit your argument. There was no dictator in Syria? There was no famine that led to mass protests that led to civil disobedience that led to civil war? No, only USA and Russia have agency and everyone else is pawns….once we assume that then the world is a simple place. And of course, it is entirely up to us to choose who is the good guy and who the bad guy.

    In relation to Europe being treated as US vassals, did you miss the trade tensions between the US and EU during Trump's presidency, or the European opposition to the US/UK led invasion of Iraq? Again, just ignore contrary facts and if we assert something often enough some people might start to think we are on to something or a purveyor of astute and unortodox views of the world

    Would ya stop! I mean, don't stop posting, but just maybe ground your arguments in actual reality rather than selective alternative facts!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    unfortunately, this time, it looks like the Ukrainians drones may have missed the ammunition depot 😢

    still, three out of four depots ain’t bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,180 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    the Swiss are very upset that Germany have stopped buying weapons from them. Germany have stopped buying from them because the Swiss won’t let them transfer any Swiss made weapons/ammunition to Ukraine…. And now the Swiss are very upset.

    Cause = Effect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,008 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I've a friend home from Canada who works with a Ukrainian. His parents are in Odessa. My pal said she is shown pictures and all sorts from the region and what we see/hear is only the tip of the iceberg as to whats happening on the ground over there. The amazing thing is, this lad and his parents squarely blame Zelenskyy for all this. Their line is he was a joke candidate who managed to win the presidency, then went on a spree of antogonising Russia and the Russian people living in Ukraine. And all this led to the invasion. I couldn't believe this horse manure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭zv2


    Cringe. Only N. Korea could do worse than this. (I'm not agreeing with the entire post, just that the cringe factor is awful.)

    Post edited by zv2 on

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    then he is not an Ukrainian but ruSSian garbage who happened to be born in UA. All former ex-soviet countries have garbage like this living in the country, worshipping little dwarf and glorifying their "real motherland" as they call it, but would not move there for no money in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,443 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,008 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I presume the raping/bombing/murdering/looting that's happening which isn't widely reported here but would be all over the place in Ukraine in papers, radio, telegram, etc. We hear about the bombings and advances and the like, but all the small stuff that goes on doesn't be reported as much.

    Remember, I'm hearing this from someone who works with this Ukrainian chap on the west coast of Canada but has family in Odesa so don't be shooting me. I just found it amazing that they lay the blame with Zelenskyy, not the invading forces there to wipe the country out. I didn't get into deep conversation about it cos it would boil my piss listening to such garbage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,322 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I've protestant relations in this country who could have 4-500 years of a heritage in Ireland. A portion of them would glorify everything British. If people have a difference they try to boost their own ego that they are better than the next person. It doesn't matter even if there's hundreds of years of ancestry in a place. If they consider their original heritage superior and stronger than their native neighbours then they'll go with the far back heritage. Just for their own ego.

    Heard an American farmer with British heritage who had a Ukrainian girl working for him. The way she conveyed her life was her parents were Russian homesteadsers who settled the plains of Ukraine in the 60's. She did it that way because of her audience. I conveyed that another Irish word for them were planters. And that the Soviets conducted a famine Holodomor against the people already there to bring in these Soviet planters from Russia to ensure loyalty. These Russians call the Ukrainians, Khokhols.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭vswr


    J-247 is a stored F-16A used for ground training….

    Considering the F-16's (and now F-35's) do daily sorties from Volkel and Luwarden, I'm going to guess the whole thing maybe cost the price of a few lights, a band and few stage hands….

    Economy breaking stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Is it Cringe. 100%. But…

    1. Russia killed a lot of Dutch nationals when they shot down MH17. So, good to show what the Dutch government are doing in a… cue heroic music… display of patriotism.
    2. Supplying weapons to Ukraine is expensive, and some Willem's and Betje's are not approving. So, rouse the troops… Betje will love it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,544 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Don't know how many others are watching Willy OAM on Youtube but from his latest video it definitely seems like Vuhledar is unlikely to hold much longer:

    While it's at great cost in terms of men and materiel, Russia do still seem to be slowly gaining more territory. The sooner the Russiam economy collapses the better imo as any negotiated settlement is likely to involve the Russians hanging on to some of the occupied territory.
    Post edited by Sleepy on


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    One of Zelenskyy's key platforms in the 2019 was to try to come to some sort of long term solution to the dispute with Russia. This was very popular. However, as with a lot of things, like, for example, Brexit, the reality was much different. The proposed terms for a peace agreement with Russia were unacceptable. Thus, he was unable to provide something which a plurality of Ukrainians wanted at the time i.e. a lasting agreement with Russia. Perhaps the sticking point at that stage was that they had to give up territory, especially Crimea.

    At least one of the factors that Putin was banking on in the February 2022 full scale invasion was the perception that Zelenskyy was weak, unpopular and Ukrainian people were disillusioned with him. This was probably an accurate view at the time, but what he didn't realise was the extent to which Ukrainians wanted their entire country back and the extent to which they would fight for it. A significant part of this was the strength of character, bravery and steely resolution shown by the former actor/comedian who was a native Russian speaker and who was willing to engage in a compromise with Russia.

    The only things that could possibly be seen as antagonising Russia is that he was losing popularity in Ukraine, continuing to build up the army and refusing to agree to Russian demands, but even this is only antaognistic by the standards of krazy Kremlin logic - because you seemed weak, because you were trying to defend yourself, and because you didn't do what we demanded you do, you made us invade you.

    I can see how Ukrainians who left prior to the war or at its very start would have the opinion of Zelenskyy as a joke - they weren't there during those transformative days. It's a bit like people who emigrate out of Ireland and have a skewed view of what is going on back here.

    The point is this - some Ukrainians might believe this. The majority do not, and in particular the majority of those who remained behind do not believe this. Was Zelenskyy a joke candidate in 2019 - maybe yeah. Is he a joke now - certainly not.



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