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Israel are going to start WWIII

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  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You mean kingdoms that came well before Israel was even an idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    There was Jewish settlers there long before the state of Israel was created. They didn't just arrive there out of thin air. If anything the Arabs were the blow ins to the area. The Jewish people were originally exiled from that area after all.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,441 ✭✭✭thereiver


    The problem is Hezbollah is popular in Lebanon

    in order to defeat Hezbollah they will probably kill alot of women children and innocent civilians will the world support them as they do this they could face trade sanctions for illegal war and killing civilians many Israeli,s do not support this endless war Hezbollah don't use conventional army bases 2 men on a motorbike can launch missiles

    Most people in Lebanon are not members of Hezbollah



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Israel was always an idea. More than an idea. Israel and Judah were nations thousands of years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Israel have implied multiple times and government officials have publicly stated they intend to destroy a certain group of people. Are you honestly trying to say that Israel are not trying to deliberately exterminate a certain group of people ?

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,363 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,800 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I don’t think any Palestinians were involved in 911 .

    • Saudi Arabia: 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia 
    • United Arab Emirates: Two of the hijackers were from the United Arab Emirates 
    • Egypt: One of the hijackers was from Egypt 
    • Lebanon: One of the hijackers was from Lebanon  


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,044 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    yeah cos it's fun making light of people being massacred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Israel is a horrible state and their enemies are horrible too. All of them degenerate religious and ethnic fanatics.

    But they will not start WWIII. It will subside and Harris vs Trump will again dominate news cycle for next 6 weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Unlikely.

    So are you under the illusion that the British left after that and that the country is now reunified?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Israel starting WW3 is a bit OTT it has to be said, none of Israel's enemies are on par with them militarily, its not even close, Israel are in no real danger and none of them pose any existential threat to them whatsoever, Iran and the like can talk all they want about wiping them out and wanting them gone but its simply all talk, it may not be very nice but its an empty threat, its simply not a credible goal.

    The truth is all sides of this mess are savages in their own way, none want to live beside the other and they all want each other gone, Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas et al are terrorists and terror backers, Oct 7 shows their true colors and nature, but you'd be a complete fool to believe Israel were the innocents leading up to that attack, they've just gone about their attrocities in a different way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I'm fairly certain that announcing that you want to kill terrorists doesn't count as genocide though.

    Post edited by volchitsa on

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    scummy terrorist state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭batman75


    The death of Nasrallah is a historic moment. By all accounts he was moderate in his leadership of Hezbollah. The dropping of bunker bombs in residential areas in another country, which is not a war with Israel is a true act of terrorism and war crimes. Netanyahu is a modern day Hitler. He is making Israel a pariah state and potentially threatening the existence of the country.

    The U.S unwavering backing for Israel is making a mockery of the office of President. The U.S is now a joke in international circles and has arguably lost it's moral authority. I don't hate the people of Israel but I detest the leaders and the IDF with a passion. They are on a par with the Nazi's which is the mother of all ironies.

    Israel has lost it's right to exist as a country. Now their must be a new country formed which includes the Palestinian Territories, incorporates Israel and allows both Jews and Arabs to live as equals. Their is simply no other solution now.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not at the time you were talking about.

    Isreal has been clutching at that speck of land for millennia, always invading always committing acts of genocide in order to get what it wants. Just this time it's a bunch of Europeans doing the colonizing.



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The British were pushed out of Eire and they are been pushed out of the North.

    Ireland will be a nation again in a very short amount of time, but the history has been long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Hezbollah is only popular among the Shia minority, and even then its popularity has declined significantly in the past few years.

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    And here's a poll from July 2024:

    The poll also found that only a third of Lebanese supported Hezbollah's role in regional affairs, saying that they agreed or strongly agreed that the group's actions were good for the Arab world, while some 42 percent strongly disagreed.
    Unsurprisingly, 79 percent of Lebanese Shia respondents believed the group's role in regional politics was positive, while only 13 percent of the country's Sunnis, 16 percent of Lebanese Druze and 12 percent of Christians agreed.

    https://www.newarab.com/news/support-hezbollah-growing-lebanon

    An Arab Barometer poll shows that although there is increased support for Hezbollah in the region, there was low overall trust in the group's native Lebanon.

    TBF, many Lebanese would take issue with the claim that Hezbollah is genuinely "native" to Lebanon. But it's "The New Arab" which is pretty anti Israel.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well, maybe (the Irish government seems on no hurry to organise a referendum does it?), but in the meantime, the British are still in charge in Northern Ireland. They even suspended Stormont again recently and were running it directly. But you claimed that if the British were still in Ireland, then Ireland would be kidnapping and killing random English citizens in the manner of October 7th. Which is not the case, right?

    Unless you've decided that Northern Ireland is not in Ireland and not entitled to be part of Ireland.

    Because otherwise, why shouldn't the IRA use Dublin as a base to start shooting rockets off at Liverpool? Or maybe you think they should? After all, you said you have "every confidence" that they would, if the British were still in Ireland. And they are.

    How much support do you think there'd be in Dublin for such a campaign?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The IRA gained joint power through their campaign. It was no longer productive or necessary to carry on the armed struggle when they have a clear path to a united Ireland through the GFA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,518 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Israel is not the equivalent of a fascist state. Right now it IS a fascist state.

    But they aren't about to start WWIII. They simply are not important enough to the big powers, or global geopolitics in general. Neither are Iran. Russia won't back Iran because they are unable right now and America is not going to blow up the middle east when it is trying to get the Kingdoms and the Emirates under its ambit.

    The big tinderbox for the next generation is the Indian Ocean and South China Sea rim.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭paska


    All the keyboard politicians and couch special force soldiers on here is amazing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    So when's the referendum for then? 🙄

    Looks to me like the Dublin government really really doesn't want one. And it doesn't seem to a big electoral issue in the south either.

    Almost as though people in the south are very happy for the status quo to continue as it is.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its up to Stormont. A border referendum is coming soon. It's not even a demographic imperative - it's increasing in support across the board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,546 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    so Israel’s solution is kill all the natives



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭65535


    Ah yes 'terrorism'

    Also previously known as 'The Stern Gang' or indeed 'The Irgun'

    How conveniently forgotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    But your claim that the British are gone is wrong, isn't it? Now you're even admitting that it's up to the British when/whether there's a border referendum. After all, they already closed down Stormont before - they can do it again if they want.

    So much for your claim that if the British were still in Ireland, the Irish would be kidnapping and killing English civilians. Go on, tell the truth: you weren't really counting Northern Ireland as part of Ireland when you made that stupid comment, were you?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If the British renegade on their obliations under the GFA I am certain that armed conflict will resume. The UK government have shown themselves to have no real commitments to NI so this is the least likely outcome.

    When the boarder poll comes when the majority of NI citizens call for it then the British will happily give it away. The British gain nothing from NI other than a financial burden - a burden they have been increasingly unwilling to shoulder.

    The negotiated deal that Britian bound themselve to will inevitably see a united Ireland.

    Lets just remind you from a historical perspective, the British did not leave Ireland because they were asked - they were bombed and shot out of Ireland by the will of the Irish. It is the absolute right of every colonized and occupied nation to resist that occupation by all means necessary - and that applies to the people of Palestine as much as it does the people of Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Doesn't matter for the purposes of your claim that they are gone.

    They aren 't - and yet nobody is supporting a killing campaign like Oct 7th - not even the dissident groups who think the IRA and the Irish government have sold the armed conflict ideology down the line.

    Why do you think that is? Could it be that nobody in Ireland would accept such murderous behaviour from within Ireland, possibly because they know very well that the British would not sit there and take it, and that Ireland would be condemned by the civilised world for allowing it in the first place? Yet they expect Israel to do just that?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Again you are ignoring the fact that Ireland gained it's freedom through exatly those acts of resistance and armed conflict.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    All a bit off-topic but you're confusing what actually happened with "the only thing that could have happened".

    For instance in 1912, Home Rule for the whole country was about to happen, except for the outbreak of war, and had it not been for the Easter Rising, which was widely seen by the British - and indeed by many Irish: remember that the rebels were spat at in the streets of Dublin as they were brought to Kilmainham Gaol - as a stab in the back while they were busy fighting a war, we would likely have had Home Rule with a united Ireland shortly after the war, and thence full independence - all without the horrors of either the War of Independence and likely the Civil War too could have been avoided. The border would certainly have been avoided - even the Unionists didn't want that.

    And if we had had Home Rule and then independence for the whole country, we would not only have had a far better economic situation starting out, but the existence of a significant protestant minority in the population would likely have made the whole place a more open, less priest-ridden country than the republic remained for decades.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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