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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,893 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    It seems to me as that they have basically geofenced acceptable transmitters to Ukraine-occupied areas (Or more accurately, geofence-excluded those in Russian occupied areas), all that is necessary is for Russian drone operators to conventionally fly their aircraft over the front line and then when 50km or so in, switch over to the Starlink antenna and drive by IP. I'm not sure how Starlink is supposed to be able to prevent that. As far as the system is concerned, it just turned on an antenna in Ukrainian territory.

    Basically, the drone operator just needs to get the drone by traditional means into the grey area.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Brent crude below $70

    And Saudis are very pissed off they cut production only for others (like Russia) to not honour opec+ agreements

    From FT

    “ Saudi Arabia needs an oil price of close to $100 a barrel to balance its budget, according to the IMF, as Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman seeks to fund a series of megaprojects at the heart of an ambitious economic reform programme.However, the kingdom has decided it is not willing to continue ceding market share to other producers, the people said “

    They are going to drive oil prices into the ground again,

    Bye bye Russia, last two times Saudis done this Russian economy imploded

    https://www.ft.com/content/1d186f62-5941-4f9e-aef1-7d93a8a696cd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    The UK foreign secretary said it like it is at the UN

    Russia is a mafia run terrorist wannabe empire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    And lord knows the British should know all there is to know about imperialistic mafia empires built on corruption. They still have a House of Lords FFS. So if they can see it, it should be clear to the whole world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat


    The great orange ape, Mango Mussolini will either be wearing an orange jumpsuit or a McDonalds uniform shortly after November 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    kind of ironic alright every empire in the last couple of hundred years has been about self interest and mafia practices including the yanks

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    There is only one empire to have started several wars of colonial expansion this century

    And hilariously enough a lot of international support they receive is from ex colonial countries in Global South

    Meanwhile those yanks you speak off don’t have any colonists in Iraq and Afghanistan with millions from those countries tripping over themselves (and hanging off airplanes) to get into the decadent west



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging present day evil just because up to a few generations back your own nation was guilty of the same practices, albeit in different times. It shouldn't in any way lessen the comments coming from the UK. They're 100% correct. Discussions about how Britain should face up to its own colonial past are for another day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭scottser


    On the one hand, fair play to David Lammy for calling Russia out. However, it would be no harm to look at how the UK provides a safe haven for Russian Oligarchs and their sweet, sweet moolah:

    Golden visas: 200 Russian millionaires bought way into UK after 'clampdown' | openDemocracy

    Countering Russian influence in the UK - House of Commons Library (parliament.uk)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    who said anything about colonists?, the US empire is more about coercion and maintaining control by any means necessary . its not exactly like Switzerland now is it?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    What “control” do they have over Iran or Afghanistan?

    Meanwhile Russia is literally planting colonists and ethnically cleansing in occupied territories

    I see you are not able to rebuke my point at all about Russia being the only empire this century to have gone on a classic imperialist expansionist spree by starting several wars, your attempts at “but but whataboutism US” are weak as their wars against terrorists clearly did not have a colonial angle, and there is a clear public and political opinion to get the **** out of Middle East (which is funny considering just how divided Americans are in most subjects)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    I know its easy to take a pop at the brits and their history (also fun) but they havnt fully distanced themselves from the shadow of it either or as that Humphrey line from Yes Minister put it "its just like old times"

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    About 10 day's ago the Ukrainians recognise they'd probably lose this fortress north of Vuhledar. So they demolished one of it's most important buildings in a controlled explosion.

    I'm not sure if Russians fully control this yet but this is a very smart move. Make the Russians pay dearly to take the fortress and when they do it's not what it once was. We seen this tactic towards the end of the Bakhmut battle. The Ukrainians blew up some of the remaining high rises towards the edge of the town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Shame they didn't wait until some Russians were in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Maybe they did?

    Id be a little worried if I was Hungarian. If Ukraine had collapsed, Moldova would have folded instantly. Was Hungary's play to rejoin the Russian federation? Sounds like they would even have activated article 5.

    You have to admire Russia's ability to get their agents into positions of power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Absolute strawman nonsense. Because if you don't act like Switzerland you are an empire based on coercion and control?
    Pure drivel, plain and simple.
    Rather easy for Switzerland to be Switzerland when it is entirely surrounded by NATO and EU members.

    We have seen multiple countries, freed from the USSR yoke, voluntarily and democratically join NATO, of which the US is the most important member.
    Poland, the Baltics, etc.
    Most recently Sweden and Finland, making considered decisions to abandon their long standing neutrality.
    Because of fear of a revanchist Russia, seeking to dominate through coercion and control.
    The precise behaviour that led to it invading Ukraine.

    Why would they do that, if they were just swapping threat of one empire to the domination by another.

    Proof positive it is not.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Well said. It's very easy for countries like Switzerland and Ireland to play the neutral card.

    Vuhledar clearly still holding if the Russians are resorting to this.

    The weather will remain warm, sunny and dry for at least the first week of October. IMO Ukraine need to hold until mid October and when the rains start falling these endless armoured attacks from Russia will start getting bogged down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,266 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    That will give Putin ideas about dropping the conscription age to ten, and he'll send the little turds to the front line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Seemed like a waste if they didn't. You could just have a drink circling to make sure they went inside unless they were worried the explosion wouldn't happen if there was an issue and they were not there to sort it out and then Russian forces would have access to that building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    you seem upset? its much easier to view the US and Russia as competing "mafias" surely

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Strange your basis for decision is what is "easier" for you to understand than what the reality of the situation is.
    And that remark does not challenge the essence of the points that were made, demonstrating why you are drawing a false equivalence. Just another example of both sidesism.

    As for "you seem upset", seems like projection when someone calls out such an over simplified cop out view of world relations. Says more about your post than mine.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Is anyone else surprised at the amount of coverage the war in Israel gets with RTE, BBC etc compared to a much bigger and deadlier war in Ukraine. It feels like wall to wall coverage Vs an after thought at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭deadduck


    what is that the Russians are using there? almost seems to be falling in slow motion. some sort of cluster bombs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    White phosphorus. Ironically they (US) have no issues with Israel using them and sometimes as alleged by Amnesty International on civilians.

    I just wish Ukraine was treated equally among other US allies wrt weapon use.

    https://united24media.com/latest-news/pentagon-pushes-for-white-phosphorus-shells-for-ukraine-white-house-resists-2607



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,266 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I'm wondering if the Hungarians have erased the 1956 uprising from their history books, a rebellion that was quashed by the Soviets. I can't believe that Orban is BFF with Putin. He might wave the white flag if the Russians ever piled in but I'm sure that many Hungarians wouldn't stand for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    It was same with Syrian war where Russians spent decade helping Assad level the country, kill millions and drive millions more away, and used chemical weapons when not too busy bombing hospitals

    Any mention of that just yields true usual “but but whataboutism America” we see on this page

    We literally have a post equating the US to Russia only a few posts up, i for one welcome our American “mafia” overlords who helped raise this country from a theocratic poorest country in Europe and pay so many taxes here and provide employment to the point where our per capita incomes are larger than most states

    Much better than the Russia mafia who are busy raping, looting, murdering and levelling whole cities on their way across Europe

    It’s a pity we can’t ship the extremist cranks to Russia so they can experience first hand the high quality standards of living there and the bright opportunities to die for dear leader in a mud hole



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Silly false equivalence there, not supported by any evidence


    why are millions of Russians trying to escape Russia and why are millions of refugees trying to get to West and not the likes of Russia?

    why are so many voting with their feet to reach one what you call mafia regime but not the other??

    Could it be that Russia actually is a mafia empire where only misery and poverty exists while we in west are actually in a fairly descent place where millions from around the world actually would love to have their kids grow up in live their lives peacefully and not under constant threat of dying in the mud for a bullshit ambitions of a cranky old man?

    Think very carefully about the answer because it goes to the root of this war, Ukrainians wanting to live like normal Europeans and not be in the Russian orbit of misery and hopelessness



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,987 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Easy there Mick Wallace. It's 2024, not the 19th century. Last I checked Starmer is not invading a European country for conquest to expand a mafia empire, whereas Putin is. So they have every right to point it out.

    And before you open the door of low-brow quips about Iraq or British colonisation or any of that whataboutery. Countries are not people. Starmer is not Gladstone, Biden isn't George Bush. It isn't ironic or hypocritical if Scholz criticises Russia's invasion.



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