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Vince McMahon "retires" *Megathread* Mod warning added in post 437

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    The documentary was made two years ago and has been on the shelf since then before any of these new allegations come out.

    Regards,

    P.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,625 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    That's my nights viewing sorted

    Kind of wish FB pages would stop putting spoilers up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    Don't want to be a backseat mod but it may be worthwhile splitting this thread and placing a Possible Spoilers on it.

    I hope there will be good discussion on this doc here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    Watched two this evening. It’s grand. That’s it.

    Has really feck all to do with Vince and nearly is just a love letter to PW and WWE.

    Am enjoying it. It’s interesting to get so much candid Vince insight.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭ThePott


    On Episode 4 now, which I believe was what the original episode count was meant to be.

    Doesn't really feel like a Vince documentary. Certainly there are parts of it where he is the focus but it gets sidetracked on telling the wrestling stories we've heard a million times as fans; Montreal screwjob, Monday Night Wars, etc. Albeit with some good footage or pics that you may not have seen. Technically it's a decent documentary but it's unfocused and meandering.

    Hearing Vince's input is interesting if only because we never really got that. I do think it is damning to him in certain aspects. His comments about Rita Chatterton, about the statute of limitations for example. The talking heads saying he's essentially the Mr. McMahon character is fairly damning, as much as I'm sure they meant it more lighthearted originally. I also think Meltzer was great in this to be honest.

    There's nothing new here for people who follow wrestling, it will be shocking to people who were not aware of all this, although at the same time, I'd be surprised if those people would sit through this or even comprehend half of it.

    The fact the interviews are from so long ago now and there likely won't be much comments due to it being a pending legal case, I haven't high hopes for the last two episodes to be any sort of revelation. I still think the best and most extensive take down of Vince was the Behind the Bastards podcast.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    My missus is meh about wrestling. She’s had enjoyable nights at OTT but wouldn’t last ten minutes watching Raw or even Mania.

    She commented how utterly uninteresting it was.

    It’s from the makers of the Tiger King. That was fascinating. Truly jaw dropping. The stuff throughout that were “10”s. Ringboys, Steroids, WCW, Montreal don’t even register as a “1 or 2”.

    The Benoit situation is probably worthy of a documentary all on its own.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Only episode 3 myself. I mean you can say it's a fluff piece but Vince in essence admitted to rape in episode 2 with his flustered "it wasn't rape... Well even if it was rape it was outside the statute of limitations" comment regarding the female ref. That was an opportunity to actually dive deeper they definitely flubbed but at least they got that part I suppose.... And a man admitting rape ain't that fluffy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,625 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    3 episodes in

    Enjoying it but a lot of the first 3 are more about Vinces 'creations' and the steroid trials

    Phil Mushnick hates WWE and Vince, Vince hates him too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,971 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    3 episodes in. Very enjoyable. Nothing we don't know but very well made.

    Much better production values than DSOTR



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    I was very impressed with Meltzer who was used as a fact checker and to paraphrase his line where he said they said the lie so much they actually believe it’s true pretty much sums up WWE and wrestling in general.

    Regards,

    P.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    4 episodes in, not sure I'm going to finish it, maybe I will just to see it out.

    Nothing in it so far that wrong don't already know, plenty of lies, lots of kissing arse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,222 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Benoit situation? Dark Side of the Ring opened their second series with a two parter on it and, to me, it's really the final authoritative word (as far as documentaries go) on that whole dark tragedy. Smart marks can say what they want about Jericho, but he (and Chavo Guerrero) was able to engineer one small glimmer of light from the aftermath of it, so for that alone, he'll always be OK in my book.

    Anyway, I digress.

    Yeah, looking at the third episode right now and as James Romero of WSI opined, it's basically just a potted history of WWE. All the hits like Vince McMahon took wrestling from a grubby curiosity enacted in cigar smoked filled back rooms to unseen heights - yada, yada, yada. I'd still put it on for something to give my not undivided attention to, but nothing I haven't heard before.

    What I want to know is why Netflix went ahead with what appears to be a largely sympathetic portrayal of the man. I would have thought they would be following WWE's general playbook of '…Vince who?' so as not to remind advertisers that the company was once headed up by a guy currently under investigation for sex trafficking, and that's not to mention the other scandals which the doc touches upon like the steroids and ring boy allegations. Basically, not a great business move to be reminding anyone in any way that professional wrestling was, and possibly still is, a pretty seedy business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,530 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,222 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's remarkable that Bruce Pritchard still has a job with WWE when he's one of McMahon's chief apologists. I would have thought he'd be let go in order to symbolise the transition to a new era. Either he's got an iron clad deal, or he's just so good at his work that they're hanging on to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: If people would just engage in a civil manner and cut out the tribalistic nonsense the forum might be in better shape. If you don't like something someone says report it and leave the modding to the moderators.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,050 ✭✭✭The Moist Buddha


    it's not really a great documentary is it, I'm 3 in and think it's a pile of sh**e TBH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    I am also 3 in, I'm enjoying it.

    The cracks are beginning to appear, but we all know how the story played out in the end. Any wrestling fan knows about Fingerpoke of Doom.

    Despite everything that happened on and off screen, we all know that Vince won in the end, he walked away with $9,300,000,000



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Jay Pentatonic


    I might passively watch it if I'm sick or hungover, but otherwise after hearing the overall feedback (from here & elsewhere) I'm inclined to give this a miss.

    Agree that it's a bizarre decision by Netflix to go ahead with this after signing a massive deal with WWE and the fact that WWE are trying to separate themselves from VKM. Probably nothing more than Netflix knowing it'd generate interest/controversy and by extension a few extra short term subscriptions.

    Hearing the doc has an element of sympathy towards him as well also strikes me as odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,971 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    If you're a wrestling fan giving this a miss is a wild call



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Jay Pentatonic




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,407 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    I was really hyped for this and watched it all but it really didn't light a fire in my belly.

    It isn't bad for sure and a six hour investment in anything on Netflix nowadays is nothing. But being perfectly honest as a wrestling fan there are a platora of docs that were/are more interesting, compelling and more worthy of your time.

    If anyone here hasn't seen this I wouldn't dragging you by the sleeves to go see it. Whereas the likes of DSOTR I'd implore everyone here to seek them out ASAP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,222 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The only criticism I would have of DSOTR is that too many of the stories are "once-famous wrestler entered a fatal downward spiral of drugs and alcohol", although you could argue that this is more a criticism of the wrestling industry and its culture that this story is so common.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,625 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    It was a good watch and for us 'fans' really didn't tell us anything we didn't know . His work 'in the business' is legendary and gave us a lot of great memories even if some of the 'Mr McMahon' stuff was quite frankly ridiculous and at times uncomfortable viewing. Surprised they didn't mention that 'money contest' thing he done which ended with the stage falling on him

    It would of been intresting to hear the 'planned interviews to end it' but Vince was obviously told 'no stay away'

    The story is not over yet and it's going to be a rollercoaster ride

    Intresting hearing taker and Bruce saying how much they love the man



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Finished the last two episodes.

    Fairly pointless on the whole if you're a wrestling fan and have heard this all before.

    The Vince interviews are only noteworthy because of how little we get that insight but otherwise not much to them, outside of the comment about Rita Chaterton and a few other things where he seems shady while trying to avoid being shady.

    It feels like a documentary at odds with itself half the time and in general has no real urgency or direction. It comes off more as the history of WWE than a Vince documentary at times, which I guess makes sense as you can't tell one without the other but even still.

    It is watchable but far from anything revelatory or insightful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,530 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I did get a laugh out of Prichard's one last defence of Vince only for them to cut to 2 days later.

    It was worthwhile for those little moments alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Editing wise, there's some good work there. Like Vince saying it's a family company and listing the things they never did… cut to all the times they did🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,327 ✭✭✭SteM


    Did Vince say there was incest in his family growing up or did I misunderstand him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,530 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    Stephanie playing dumb on when Tyson got done for rape, only for them to big her up later on the women's revolution, was an all timer Lol for me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Shane came across very well in for me.

    Very hard for someone who is a multi millionaire in their own right and the son of a billionaire to appear as a sympathetic character and the only McMahon to come across as grounded and sane person.



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