The decline of FG?

Indeed. As I said before, they will be odds on to beat FF’s record of 1932 to 1948 if they are back in. Albeit in coalitions and 3 leaders, but in a far more fractured political environment.

That is not all they proposed.

Your position here is that you “don’t know who you are voting for” except you know it won’t be FG, FF and Labour & you want them out.

They have 48% of first preferences based on the Sunday Times poll. The combinations of preferred coalition shows either FF and FG in Government was supported by 55% in the Irish Times poll. When you add in Labour (not identified in the mix), I’m sure that number goes further up. I’m assuming the Greens are on that list as well?

There is a next to zero chance one of those won’t be in Government next time so I’m curious how you are going to position yourself? You seem to be the type who gets angry at anyone who tries to govern.

Not sure if preferences are captured in any of the polls but would be very interesting to see.

Could FF be the big winner here in that many FG supporters will transfer to FF candidates but this may not be reciprocated by FF supporters. This could then potentially give rise to the scenario where FF win the most seats at next GE (even though they may receive significantly less first preferences)?

You asked what actions. I gave you them. You keep implying they did nothing.

You can cross reference what found it's way into the PFG from this document.

https://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2013/08/fine-gael-new-politics-march-2010.pdf

Francie, you are talking rubbish.

Look at the PFG, you will see a bullet point with each objective.

• We will give committees the power to introduce legislation, while a new 10 MinuteRule will allow backbench TDs to introduce their own Bills. We will also tackle thehuge over-use of guillotines to ram through non-emergency legislation

• We will introduce a package of changes that will bring about a 50 per cent increase in Dáilsitting days. Dáil Éireann will in future meet four days a week. There will be a summer recessof just six weeks and significantly reduced breaks at Christmas and Easter. We will abandonthe practice of providing a “mid-term break” – a full week off at St Patrick’s Day andHallowe’en. When the Dáil is not in session the Committees shall agree by roster that aparticular Committee shall meet in the Dáil Chamber.

• We propose to break the Government monopoly on legislation and the stranglehold over thebusiness of the Dáil, by providing that the new Friday sittings will be given over exclusivelyto committee reports and private members business except where urgent government businessmust be taken.

• We will enhance the democratic process by involving public representatives at an earlier stageof the legislative process, particularly before Bills are published. We will amend cabinetprocedure instructions so as to allow government to publish the general scheme of a Bill sothat Oireachtas Committees can debate and hold hearings at an early stage.

• • While recognising that there may be exceptional circumstances in which debate may need tobe concluded by a given deadline, we will restrict the use of guillotine motions and otherprocedural devices that prevent Bills from being fully debated, so that guillotining is not amatter of routine as it has become at present, particularly at the end of a session.

• • We will also deal with the related problem of legislation being shunted through at high speedand will ensure that Dáil standing orders provide a minimum of two weeks between eachstage of a Bill, except in exceptional circumstances.

• • In order to enhance the role of the legislative committees, we will organise a committee weekevery fourth sitting week. The Dáil plenary will sit only for questions, including Leaders’ Government for National Recovery 2011-201623Questions and the order of business and the remainder of the day will be taken up incommittee.

• • We will establish a petition system to the Dáil, similar to that operating in the EuropeanParliament, to be managed by a specific Dáil committee that will investigate and report onpetitions which raise issues warranting attention.

• • We will enhance the parliamentary relationship with the European Parliament in conjunctionwith Ireland’s MEPs. These arrangements will include regular attendance by MEPs atrelevant Dáil committees.

• • We will legislate and change Dáil standing orders to ensure the absolute confidentiality ofinformation entrusted to members of the Dáil by their constituents or informants, and ensurethat such information cannot be compulsorily disclosed through the legal process except withthe consent of the informant.

• • We will significantly revamp the adjournment debate format. It will be renamed the topicalissue debate. There will be a minimum of 5 topical issues. These will be taken in the middleof the day and there will be provision for questions at the end. A Minister or Minister of Statefrom the relevant Department will be present and there will be an end to the practice of onejunior Minister reading out scripts on behalf of a number of Departments about a range ofissues of which he or she knows nothing.

• • The standing orders on urgent issues are used regularly to attempt to raise issues that are noturgent and such requests are almost invariably refused. We will make the Dáil rules forraising urgent issues more meaningful by requiring a minimum number of signatories for sucha request.

• • In future standing order 32 requests will not be read out

Which of these were or were not done.

Please be explicit.

I pointed out to another poster a specific action proposed and asked what has been done. I see you ignored that.

This isn't a thread on opposition parties though, it's about FG, which by the laws of political science directly includes FF, hence FFG, and by extension the greens and Labour. My position isn't that "I don't know who I'm voting for" just that it's irrelevant to the topic of the thread

Since you asked, my personal preference would be for a left leaning government. One that might actually be able to fix our housing and health crises but also stand up to the far right movement rather than cower away, or worse, join them!

Care to comment on the bullet point list?

Which one of them, from the PFG were NOT done? Please be exact please as you have a habit in talking in grand narratives with no to little details.

Is that really all you picked up from everything I said? It's genuinely disappointing to see this level of concentration among voters. Although it does explain recent local election results

So are you saying a government party with a majority of 51(FG) seats to 20 (Labour) (35% - 19%) immediately welched on a major policy promise the minute they went into negotiations to form a government? Really?

And you still vote for them???

Its a coalition Francie.

If or when your beloved SF get into power, they will have to comprimise too. Sure didn't they let the UK run NI for them? ;)

If you can point out the bits from the PFG that they did not enact….

I gave you enough rope and you hung yourself. Selected some stuff and tried to pretend.

Directly transmuted into the PFG from New Politics we have this:

We will ensure our Government is seen to be held to account

Did they?
No they absolutely did not do that.

They totally welched on it and did nothing to give SIPO the powers it needed. They made FOI harder and they circled wagons around the very behaviour that required New Politics to end it.

Charlatans in regard to that and that is why people stopped voting for them. I.E. Their vote declined.