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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,507 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Says a lot that your take away from this is word salad and utter drivel, meanwhile you turn a deaf ear to the utter drivel coming from Trump.

    Do you think you are fooling anyone here?

    Utter drivel? Nope, just another post of utter hypocrisy and double standards from you as you pretend to be concerned about "word salad". Another entirely bad faith argument.

    Too much to expect though that you might even attempt to read it in good faith.

    That's your considered take on abortion rights, concerns about gun violence, concerns about voting rights as Republicans seek spurious reasons to dis-enfranchise and the freedom for people to openly love whoever they love across genders, races etc. Says it all.

    which includes freedom to make decisions about your own body, freedom to be safe from gun violence, freedom to have access to the ballot box, freedom to be who you are and just be the love, who you love, openly and with pride

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It’s all good.

    Philadelphia is a thorn in the side of the state for the rest of us. It’s like some foreign country.

    LOL… “Trump’s signs became like the state flower” Senator John Fetterman (D - Pennsylvania) said jokingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    What was the question asked by Oprah and before the applause when Harris finished answering? I mean, maybe it is word salad, but context does matter.

    And if it is word salad, better from someone with a positive message than her opponent who is either too incompetent or lazy to carry out his deplorable plans, as you have admitted recently.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's perfectly cogent and rooted in the history of America and it's aspirations. If you think it is gibberish frankly that reflects poorly on your comprehension and knowledge.

    Every single time these "word salad" accusations come up it is people reacting to a perfectly normal answer that they somehow don't understand.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,921 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    What in god's name is wrong with that?

    It's cogent, understandable, passionate speech dealing with a singular topic.

    I think those trumpeters are gone so "ear blind" by trumps gish gash gallop nonsense they cannot recognise a perfectly coherent answer when they get one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,507 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Desperate?

    You posted an article, citing an expert discussing whether Trump is a fascist... the article though plainly stated Trump was a clear and present danger and incapable of good governance. That is an expert opinion of an expert you have cited.

    And still here you can only attack Harris about 'word salad'.

    Desperate desperate stuff indeed.

    Textbook double standards and utterly discrediting of your posts.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,507 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is very easy to understand if you try to engage with the concerns of people different to you.

    Compassion and empathy register as word salad to some:

    freedom to make decisions about your own bodyfreedom to be safe from gun violencefreedom to have access to the ballot box, freedom to be who you are and just be the love, who you love, openly and with pride

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    This is just you projecting again. Projecting your preferred candidates(Trump) weaknesses onto Harris. In an act of desperation on your part.

    "Americans by character are people who have dreams and ambitions and aspirations,"

    "We believe in what is possible, we believe in what can be, and we believe in fighting for that. That’s how we came into being, because the people before us understood that one of the greatest expressions for the love of our country, one of the greatest expressions of patriotism, is to fight for the ideals of who we are, which includes freedom to make decisions about your own body, freedom to be safe from gun violence, freedom to have access to the ballot box, freedom to be who you are and just be the love, who you love, openly and with pride. Freedom to just be."

    Yeah it's a little verbose. It's a tad lofty. It is also however understandable English.

    Here review this answer on childcare for me:

    But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about, that – because, look, child care is child care. It’s – couldn’t – you know, it’s something – you have to have it. In this country, you have to have it.

    But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to, but they’ll get used to it very quickly – and it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about, including child care. That – it’s going to take care – we’re going to have – I – I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country. Because I have to say with child care – I want to stay with child care – but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just – that I just told you about.

    Any thoughts?

    Is that really the best response you have available to you? This reminds me of the kind of comeback I've heard so many times in secondary school yard when I was a 13 years old. And it wasn't a particularly potent quip back then either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,871 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    If he does succeed in being elected, how does he plan to assist the parents in funding that education? I sense a politicians promise in this. Is Elon Musk going to help Trump do it after the Dept of Education is eliminated from the list of Govt Depts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭briany


    You're using 'word salad' wrong.

    Wikipedia gives a definition as a "confused or unintelligible mixture of seemingly random words and phrases".

    On the other hand, I could understand perfectly well what Harris was saying in the paragraph you quoted.

    There are ways I could criticise the text, saying it sounded rote or lacking in a particularly vital message, but 'word salad', no.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Jaysis. That was desperate, MA.

    Did you ever reply to the person who asked if you agreed with the assessment by the article you shared that Trump is a clear and present danger?

    (I'm not expecting an answer, I think I'm on many ignore lists at this stage.)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I not completely sure but I believe he want to open up the billions in Federal education grants to also allow for school choice. And yes, he wants education taken away from the federal government which is highly influenced by politics and special interests and put back in control of the states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,507 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Reader - there was no reply.

    Proof positive Trump cannot be defended against the accusation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Yeah. That's a big problem when you have fruit loop states like Florida trying to ban the teaching of slavery in schools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I can't help but feel it's an overreaction to the right banging on about "woke" while also giving effective tax breaks to those paying for private school already (and does nothing to help the public system unless he plans to privatise it all, which I doubt).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    it’s a proven fact private schools provide a much better level of education then do public schools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Oprah is even thinking WTF.

    Sounds like she had a bit off dutch courage in her there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    A lot of that is because it's an uplift over public schools because they cost so much. If everything was private, the effect wouldn't be the same (are the GOP/trump proposing a fund to make all schools private?).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If leaving everything to the states is such a good idea, just disband the USA already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I think a lot of Trumpers would like that. A lot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,629 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Another example of Harris talking waffle and not anwering the question asked.

    Oprah has to pull her back on point.

    Its the same stock points she has memorised and just regurgitates.

    She said almost the exact same thing at the debate, also dodging the question asked.

    Its no wonder the Democrats are limiting her interviews.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    What?! Being able to concentrate the best teachers in a school by paying teachers more than the average earned I public schools, coupled with having students that have a higher uptake in grinds (because they can afford it), and those same students are able to concentrate more because they would have a better diet, and aren't coming to school while missing breakfast?

    They have a better level of education?

    Shut the front door!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Covers the bi-partisan border bill, tells people what it would have done and explains that trump stopped it from going into effect.

    I mean, the answer is orders of magnitude better than any trump has concepts of and it's mad that this interview is being used as an example of dodging interviews but maga world is utterly insane right now.

    If Harris stormed off in a huff, would that have been more presidential?

    Must do better (or actually engage in discussion, notice the policy chat also occurring).



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Why are you so keen for the states to control what’s taught in schools?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,507 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    She forgot to throw in madeup racist drivel about immigrants eating pets so its all word salad to some.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    she answered the question. The video is sped up to make her look bad.

    Find some new Twitter accounts to follow ffs.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,629 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    No I dont believe she did answer the question.

    It was only sped up as it was such a long winded reply.

    I dont follow these accounts, it was the only one I could find with the full response.

    Its clear that there are two standards here, one for Trump and one for Harris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    By what standards was the question unanswered? The bi-partisan bill and some of what it would do was explained in an easy-to-understand way.

    Yes, it went into other details and was quite a long answer (for those with short attention spans), but that's usually desired, time permitting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,507 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Trump is a clear and present danger...

    That was in an article you cited on this thread.

    And when have you even held Trump to account on this thread for his gibberish? There are many instances.

    Yes you apply zero standards towards Trump and have to trawl around for the flimsiest excuse to criticise Harris. That is transparently clear alright.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,871 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I gather from your mention of the farmers in Lehigh Valley that you may reside in the US. Would you prefer the school children in Pennsylvania to be totally educated in private schools as against public schools, as is the preference of Trump by way of the state, rather than the states?



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