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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,871 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I think he's afraid it'll cost him politically if he goes after Harris in the way that he went after other women in the recent past, including his denials over the New York allegations. He is AWARE of her DA prosecution reputation [which she has made good use of, in a scary way, where he's concerned] and thinks that if he goes too far in attacking her vocally or in print at a personal level, she will sue and work the courtroom from the stand. She's put the doubt in his mind about costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    I’d argue calling Trump a “threat” just elevates him in the eyes of his supporters, as someone who is capable. I much prefer when he’s just called “weird”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'm quite happy calling him a weird stooge for fascists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I think one of the big mistakes over the last few years was going high when they went low. Going low should include saying exactly what kind of a person he is. It emphasises the kind of importance of the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,651 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    This is definitely happening since Harris became the nominee. She knows how to f*ck with criminals like Trump, she's in his head big time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,597 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Can't remember the source, but I recently read something about how Trump himself would far more prefer to be called a threat or a fascist because it makes him sound like a threat, and makes him sound strong. It's why "weird" got so deep under his skin, because things like that make him sound weak and pathetic.

    While it's important to call out Trump's actions and rhetoric for what they are, Trump himself as a person, is weak, pathetic and weird and it's fair (and funny) to refer to him as such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,838 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    the thing is, stuff like this only really matters if it leads to a significant seepage of votes away from Trump. Obviously that's happening to some extent, and maybe just about enough to swing the election for Harris, but AFAICS all shades of the Right in America are pretty much rock solid for Trump as they were in 2016 and 2020…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,507 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I wouldnt say all shades of the right... there seems to be more old guard Republicans coming out refusing to endorse Trump and even endorsing Harris.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,723 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    While I'd stop just short of calling Trump a "fascist" myself, he certainly has no qualms about courting such political ideals and ideologues when and if it suits him, only to try and distance himself when it's clear that such alignment might be a detriment to his own goals. And as I've pointed out in other threads there are definite overlaps between the rise of Hitler and Trump, which are very clear to see if you know the history of Hitler beyond the war.

    There have been numerous historians and political analysts that have spotted these comparisons, some of which go back to 2015 before Trump's political journey really got going and an entire book has been written about both men by Henk de Berg.

    But I think that Robert Kagan's observations in 2016 have still got a powerful resonance, when he concluded that "This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party—out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear—falling into line behind him".

    Kagan also astutely observed that "…of course the entire Trump phenomenon has nothing to do with policy or ideology. It has nothing to do with the Republican Party, either, except in its historic role as incubator of this singular threat to our democracy. Trump has transcended the party that produced him. His growing army of supporters no longer cares about the party. Because it did not immediately and fully embrace Trump, because a dwindling number of its political and intellectual leaders still resist him, the party is regarded with suspicion and even hostility by his followers. Their allegiance is to him and him alone". He also directs our attention to the following, "Successful fascism was not about policies but about the strongman, the leader (Il Duce, Der Fuhrer), in whom could be entrusted the fate of the nation. Whatever the problem, he could fix it. Whatever the threat, internal or external, he could vanquish it, and it was unnecessary for him to explain how".

    Historian Richard Evans has also mentioned the similarities between Trumpism and the "ism's" of the 1930's which he points out that either entity "…has a contempt for the courts and the law, which echoes that of the Nazis very, very clearly" and that there are observable comparisons including "the poisoning of political and public discourse through lies and insults”, which are “very similar to the early 1930s in Germany".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Thats sounds very Moscow Show Trialsy.

    He'll be doctoring photos next, removing the purged from said image.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,838 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    At a 'leadership' level. But I'm not seeing this is having a discernible effect among Trump-leaning voters.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Out in the ‘country’ parts of the Lehigh Valley, PA, there are Trump signs everywhere and zero Harris signs that I’ve seen. Lehigh Valley area is key to deciding how the Pennsylvania vote goes.

    Some farmers up the road from me seem to have very strong feelings…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    How is trump proposing to reduce the number of children killed in school shootings? Or assist with their healthcare and education?

    What do you think is the biggest issue facing children in the US and Pennsylvania today?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,597 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "Lehigh Valley area is key to deciding how the Pennsylvania vote goes."

    How so? Looking at 2020, it's about 185k votes out of 7m. It was a close area alright (think about 7% between Biden and Trump), but key to deciding how the Pennsylvania vote goes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Those signs seem a little do damned low to the road surface. One decently sized Semi driving though there and the sign is toast. (Or a good enough wind, since the pole itself appears to just be dug in shallowly)

    A lack of important functional detail / competency like that makes me think that Trump campaign staffers put these up, as opposed to locals.

    It’s worth noting that the Trump campaign is chronically understaffed with potentially only some hundreds of staffers for the entire country, when that number is usually applied to the state-level organisation. I can easily imagine them having to do a rush job by smacking these signs together and move to the next one.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Every presidential candidate targets key voting areas in PA. They’re Philadelphia, outskirts of Philly, Pittsburgh, Lehigh Valley, Erie and Harrisburg. Trump was at a small town near me the other month.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Public school system here has much to be desired. Trump wants to make access to private schools available to all people regardless of their economic advantage or disadvantage. Also making schools and teachers more accountable to student performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,597 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    So Lehigh is not key to deciding how the vote in Pennsylvania then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,417 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    OK, beyond the project 2025 bits (or is trump now a proponent of those measures?).

    For others, trump is pushing "more choice in schools" as a way to subsidise wealthier parents whose children go to private schools and advocate more religion at school level with, currently unfunded, vouchers, while dismantling the department of education.

    Not good for the future of USA children, but good for immigrants who want to work in the US due to the brain drain something like this would cause.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 531 ✭✭✭Dingaan


    Yes and no. The margins in these areas will determine who wins the state. If Trump wins Lehigh County, then he will probably carry the state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,597 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    No you didn't, you just said Presidential candidates always target voting areas, and Lehigh is considered one of those. But it's one, of many, and from the 2020 results it wasn't even the one with the tightest margin and isn't one of the most populous areas (Erie, Bucks and Northampton look just as if not more critical).

    I'm not saying Lehigh isn't important for both candidates, but it's not "the key to deciding the vote in Pennsylvania". If you were trying to open a combination lock that had 8 digits, you wouldn't say "Figuring out the 7th digit is really key to opening this lock"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    A tractor never mind a semi, something a farmer should be aware of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,597 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Lehigh had approx 185k voters and Biden won it by 7.58%

    Northampton had approx 172k voters and Biden won it by 0.72%

    Bucks had 397k voters and Biden won it by 4.37%

    Again, my point is that Lehigh, specifically, is not the key to the State, especially when electoral votes are based on popular vote in the State. It's one of many areas which are close and populous, as is the case in many areas in all swing states.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It was put up by neighbor farmers, I saw them do it. The poles are cross anchored as you can see in the pick. But I agree it is too low even though no semi’s are allowed on the road. It just went up last week and I suspect PennDOT will be making them take it down soon enough.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The ‘Lehigh Valley’ is comprised of several counties, including Lehigh and Northampton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,597 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Alright, fair enough then. Apologies, I was going by Lehigh results per county in Pennsylvania, didn't realise Lehigh Valley was a region name for several counties.

    I'm still not sure if I'd consider it the key to the State overall considering its still a popular vote for the state and a shift in the larger areas like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia could offset how tight Lehigh Valley might be, but fair enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,629 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The word salads are flowing again.

    This is some absolute gibberish from Harris.

    She acts as if she is imparting some profound wisdom but its utter drivel.

    "Americans by character are people who have dreams and ambitions and aspirations,"

    "We believe in what is possible, we believe in what can be, and we believe in fighting for that. That’s how we came into being, because the people before us understood that one of the greatest expressions for the love of our country, one of the greatest expressions of patriotism, is to fight for the ideals of who we are, which includes freedom to make decisions about your own body, freedom to be safe from gun violence, freedom to have access to the ballot box, freedom to be who you are and just be the love, who you love, openly and with pride. Freedom to just be."

    That interview with Oprah was just pure cringe, how long more can Harris avoid answering questions.

    The tactic seems to be to avoid all cross-examination and outsource the campaign to the obsequious media.

    Kamala Harris and Tim Walz are giving fewer interviews than any other presidential candidates in modern US history, according to analysis.

    Ms Harris, who has been frequently criticised for dodging media scrutiny, has spoken to non-partisan TV and print interviewers just three times since entering the race in July, according to Axios.

    In total, the Democratic candidates have granted just seven interviews between them, while their Republican rivals Donald Trump and JD Vance have given more than ten times that number over the same time period.

    Figures close to the Harris campaign told Axios that limiting interactions with the press was a deliberate strategy, suggesting they hope to shield the vice-president from bruising media encounters with the election just weeks away.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    And I don't have to read past "word salad "

    It's just desperate and embarrassing at this point Mr. A.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,629 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Yes I agree Harris is desperate and embarrassing.



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