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Solar panels get €1,000/acre so what’s the catch?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Generally turbine agreements are indexed linked. Would I be right in thinking, there isn't one on your land? You may have turned it down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭eire23


    If your neighbours are getting the same as an acres payment they must have had a bad solicitor on their behalf the first day. And even worse that it wasn't index linked. But that's their own business.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭148multi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    Ive a neighbour with one about 150m from his house.

    I asked about the noise- he said the days he hears it, he knows he’s making money.


    our land is what’s called the Bermuda Triangle for turbines- we are surrounded but each of the 3 farms are spreading away from us.


    I wouldn’t mind something.

    as for the rent rates: it’s better than loosing it running cattle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    I find it gas the way, like in this instance , words can be read but then processed as if they read something different.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    No none here tg, we wouldnt be in that zone, and far away enough from them that they don't bother us. Others are not so lucky.

    Don't get me wrong, the money was good enough at the time, but from what I know, it wouldn't be a fair piece of the pie, and the farm organisations didn't want to know about representing landowners.

    We farmers are price takers, and often our own worst enemies, nothing new there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    What else would he say? We all sleep in the beds we make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    I’m about 2km from 3 turbine, one to east and two to the west and very rarely I hear them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    That's a long way away, plenty houses much closer than that around here, some under the 500m limit even, innocent times, but long term consequences for those affected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I'm just 400m from a large turbine, not on my land. Don't take any notice of it. The noise levels are what largely dictate distance. Wish my neighbour well on his good fortune. They have a bonus of a great internal road network. Solar farms in the US are getting farmers to run sheep on the land, best ground maintenance, win/win.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    Would the Solar companies be recieving the wholesale price of Electricity. I,m presuming so, unless they had negotiated a rate with the utility companies? If it costs around 1.1 million to develop 1MW of Solar, which would generate about €90,000 per year at the current wholesale price of 10cent, by the time they have funding paid, land rent paid and other running costs, its not huge.

    I think it takes approx 4 to 5 acres for 1MW

    Or are my sums way off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭148multi


    There's a large turbine farm bedside my bil,

    It doesn't bother them at all, got half the price of solar panels and batteries plus €900 into a/c each year. Not a house they would be sitting out back sipping wine. There's another house that is beside 1 turbine and it drove them absolutely silly, sold up for small money, a polish couple live in it now and have no issues, all that said have been in a house east of the wind farm and some evenings the flicker is bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Yeah about 5 acres pre Mw. Don't have efficiency figures to calculate return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    like I said we are surrounded by them.
    there’s only one neighbour with issue and he originally came from Dublin with his American wife.

    we had a dog kennel in the area at one stage and it nearly drove people cracked but not a word about the turbines.


    Being surround by Sitka spruce with my horizon taken, I’d take turbines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,704 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I can't comment on the exact details, however:

    Wholesale prices can vary wildly. Today, the daily price has varied from €56.52/MWh to €240.24/MWh (5 to 24 cents per unit) However, given that solar is fairly predictable, I suspect that many have long term contracts.

    The solar farm operator also has to pay their connection fee, even if they export no electricity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,831 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Unless a company had access to capital, it couldn't build either wind or solar, without a long term contract, against which to raise finance. Solar farms will do away with peak price at lunch time. The only peak then to be tackled is 5-7pm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    So I went down a bit of a rabbit hole in this. The new scheme announced this year - Small Scale renewable electricity support SCRESS is a guaranteed feed in price of 12 cent for SME for projects between 50kW and 6MW. What I can't seem to figure out is the 12 cent the max you get per unit. Ie if you are getting 10c from Energia you will get a top up of 2c from this scheme. And if you get 15 cent from energia do they claw back to 3 cent.

    At 12c it doesn't make financial sense.

    Im kind of interested as I would have access to around 10 acres adjacent to a small wind farm so the connection to the grid "should" be relatively uncomplicated. I think it would depend on if the line was good enough and the substation could take the extra power generated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,267 ✭✭✭alps


    How small is the windfarm? Are they connecting to 20kV or 38 kV powerlines? Your project would have to be done in collaboration with the windfarm and likely would not be able to produce to its maximum capacity either as it may have to cap its output on windy days. The windfarm has a specified lease and planning timeframe left to run. You would have to fit in with that timeframe. It's a difficult venture to negotiate and very tight financially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    There are 6 turbines on it. It's fairly old, some upgrades done recently so I'm guessing about 6MW with 20kV line going to 38kV substation about 8km away.

    Then there is another 4.5MW farm also tieing into this line.

    I suppose first thing is to see if there is capacity in the substation.

    Probably a non goer but interesting doing the research all the same. Alot of variables that need to come together and it takes just one to rule it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,261 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    i think its very dependant on esb infrastructure in the area and proximity of substations etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭peterofthebr


    Dont know if this is correct thread. But I'm thinking about a wind turbine on a site on the farm. I'm looking to understand size difference between say 1,2 3 and 4 MW turbines? . I'm only thinking of installing one basically in the middle of the farm to sell back to the grid
    Qs are
    -What's the cost to install say 2.5MW?
    -What's the lane/road access needed/requirements? Just a rough idea will do me

    - it need to be close to power lines I guess (to transfer power onto grid),?


    -if say installing a 3MW turbine I guess the ground area used is small and it would still allow land to be used for feeding livestock?
    -neighbours..

    . Whats the rough cost for say 2MW turbine vs 3MW total cost to farmer.? Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭eire23


    Think it's generally well over a million per installed mw as a rough guide. Proably depends on the site, access and the smaller the build the bigger the costs. Are you beside a substation? If not probably forget about it. Any second hand turbines being taking down of that size will be worn out. A 2.5mw will be between 60-80m high and 40m blades or maybe a bit bigger. To get a loan you need the wind speed recorded for a certain amount of time..think 8ms is where it needs to be or higher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭peterofthebr


    a substation is around 8km away. I had no idea mw were that expensive 😳.. though less then 100k.. I'm obviously getting my MW mixed up with KW.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,704 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    1 kW for 1 hour is 1 kWh or one unit of electricity. Many kitchen kettles would be about 2 kW. A microwave oven about 0.8 kW.

    On average, across the country, households use electricity at a rate of about 1-2 kW total across the year.

    So, a 1 MW wind turbine would power 500-1000 households. However, wind doesn't blow (adequately) all the time, so realistically it might power 200-400 households.

    The access road needs to be good enough to take a crane that might weigh about 100 tonnes. No sharp bends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭have2flushtwice


    Planning will be the same cost.

    The grid connection for the project will be the same cost be it 1 or 5 units erected.

    Consultancy and surveys will be the same cost.

    I know 1 wind farm, initial application was 2003, first ground was turned last year.

    Spread it over 1 mw or 5 mw, thats how you reduce your costs.

    Go into your local coco planning system online and take a look at an existing application. There's far more work and cost in the local studies that the unit detail itself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,704 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    "The grid connection for the project will be the same cost be it 1 or 5 units erected."

    Not quite. The local system might tolerate a 1 MW generator being added (possibly with minor augmentation), especially if there is local demand and the location is partway along the main 10 or 20 kV line. That might not be the case with a larger installation. There are a huge number of single generator locations in the UK.

    While the digging of trenches or the erection of poles might be much the same cost regardless of voltage (there will be incremental changes like different spacings), the cables themselves will be different and the equipment will be more sophisticated with a larger operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,494 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    We had a guy here today looking for land for solar panels, he wants all my land signed up. OH says it'll be over her dead body.

    So that's that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Cushtie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Mitchells33




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,666 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    There's supposedly a 400 acre solar farm going for planning not far from here. Alot of uproar but if people want sustainability etc I don't get all the backlash. Alot of not in my back yard stuff.



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