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Installing 16amp socket

  • 16-09-2024 04:06PM
    #1
    John Kelly of
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭


    Hi guys looking for advice on installing a socket for a big electric saw that cuts logs.

    https://www.hartnett-products.ie/products/new-electric-log-saw-500mm

    16amp plug / Single Phase Electricity. IMPORTANT! THIS MACHINE CANNOT BE USED WITH STANDARD 3PIN 13AMP PLUG AND SOCKET NOR WITH A 13-16AMP ADAPTOR.  IT REQUIRES A 16AMP SOCKET AND PLUG.

    The saw will be located in a yard shed which is about 60m from the electrical fuse board.

    What type cable do I need to run to the new socket from the board?

    Can I wire it into the board on an existing B20 mcb which has other regular sockets on it?

    thanks



Comments

  • #2
    drury..
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Thats a how long is a piece of string question based on info provided

    60m is a long way for that type of load . So supply cable would need to be adequate



  • #3
    John Kelly of
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭John Kelly of


    What more information do you need?

    Thanks



  • #4
    John Kelly of
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭John Kelly of


    image.png

    Does this help?



  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Presumably this cable will be buried so it needs to be armoured, it will also probably need to be derated for cable voltage drop.

    This really looks like a job for a spark as it needs correctly specifying and correctly installing.



  • #6
    drury..
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Yep



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  • #7
    horse7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,900 ✭✭✭horse7


    Cable sizes: We recommend using 1.5mm cables for lower power & shorter cables. 

    2.5mm for full 16A continuous use and longer cables

    .



  • #8
    horse7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,900 ✭✭✭horse7


    For Industrial Socket Outlets, Cable Sizes of 

    2.5 mm2

     for 16A ,6.0 mm2 for 32A, 16mm2 for 63A double insulated Cu [Copper] Cables [Cu/PVC/PVC] are used for the Phase [Live ] ,the Neutral and Earth [Cu/PVC ,Single Insulated] cables of Industrial Socket Outlet Wirings of above Ampere rated Single Phase and 3 Phase



  • #9
    John Kelly of
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭John Kelly of


    2.5mm2 still OK for 50-60 metres?

    Is it OK to wire it into existing B20 mcb which has other regular sockets on it?

    I am thinking of putting the socket at the back of house and using a 25m long 2.5mm2 extention lead to bring it out the yard.



  • #10
    JL spark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 264 ✭✭JL spark


    will you just get a electrician to do it properly and safe ,

    From your posts , you haven’t a clue what your at ,



  • #11
    monseiur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭monseiur


    I'm not an electrician but to do the job right and more importantly safe it will cost a lot more than the actual saw but it'll be a once off cost and a job for life. You will save a lump of cash by doing some of the manual labour yourself.

    Once your electrician specifies the correct size SWA cable and marks preferred route etc. you can open the trench which must be at least 450mm deep, lay cable and back fill again roughly 300 mm first then lay warning tape before completing the back fill. Your electrician will fit a mini sub board in shed, try to keep the length of extension lead from socket in shed to saw as short as possible.

    Consider fitting a few lights in shed while you're at it, you may even be able to cut your logs inside if the weather is inclement which is not unheard of in winter…or summer 😉



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  • #12
    Phil.x
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    Wire it in 4mm swa cable.



  • #13
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you even know how to terminate armoured cable ?

    … but this is way outside the scope of what is allowed in the regulations for a DIYer.



  • #14
    John Kelly of
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭John Kelly of


    I did this and saw works great.

    Asked the lads in the wholesalers about the cable and they told me what I needed for the length of run and power required. Didn't realise there's great expertise behind the counter there.

    Used about 30m of 6mm cable, kept it all indoors through sheds hanging on simple coat hooks from the rafters . Put the 16amp breaker on fuse board it simply clicked on.



  • #15
    thoneaseessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭thoneaseessi


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123836696#Comment_123836696

    A chat with the lads behind the counter and you're an electrician .No testing needed i suppose



  • #16
    Lenar3556
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Lenar3556


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123836696#Comment_123836696

    The level of expertise varies, and the role of any good employee of an electrical wholesaler is to sell products - as many as possible at the highest possible price. They are typically incentivised with bonus structures. Most will have little or no training on the factors than influence cable selection.

    But, on the info provided: The cable size and circuit protection is probably adequate. The breaker should be an RCBO type with a test button - that’s important.



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