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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,671 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    why is it that the more conservative someone’s views the more they don’t think they should suffer consequences for their actions?

    It must also occur to them that making a big deal of this on social media is likely to hamper his career even more. He presumably is willing to accept this or more ridiculously thinks it’s helping him.
    what a waste of education and life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,108 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I think I've covered my reasoning in other posts above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,251 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    To my mind you haven't explained your reasoning.

    You've said that they should compromise -but without explaining why or how.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,108 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Sorry if I haven't been clear.

    The why is because it could bring this matter to a close.

    I have some ideas on how it could be done but I chose not to share them at this time.

    If the law library people decide to make a move I might reconsider.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,251 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Well that's all very obtuse…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,999 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Why should they need to bring anything to a close? He has no legal standing for a discrimination claim so the matter is basically finished as it stands, if the court of public opinion was on his and his families side then maybe the bar council would need to look into a solution for him but its not so why would they consider doing anything? Any intervention and appeasement would just encourage his and his families behavior to continue making a mockery of the judicial system, these are just the consequences of his own actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,108 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,616 ✭✭✭✭dulpit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,108 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    They could continue with that approach and hope it all goes away.

    As you say an intervention is not without risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,251 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Okay, if you aren't prepared to actually share - for some mysterious reason? -what methods the powers that be could use to rectify the situation, allow me to ask another question -

    Why do you feel the onus should be on the bar council et al to compromise in this situation?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,999 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Theres no approach they are taking, as far as im aware this is the way things have always been done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭wandererz


    I wonder, are there any transgender or gay barristers out there who could be convinced to give him an apprenticeship…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,108 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I think I've made it quite clear that I believe some sort of negotiation could help to sort out this issue.

    I don't want to prescribe possible solutions because I am not involved and there is little point in raising hypothetical situations.

    If things develope in a positive direction I may rejoin the conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,108 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Sorry you feel like that.

    I can assure you I'm posting in good faith and hoping that this issue will be resolved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    This is complete nonsense and your responses to subsequent questions indicate that you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

    There is a clear route for this man to progress his career. All he has to do is to find ONE senior barrister, from the many hundreds available, to act as his master. This is the exact same for every junior barrister who wishes to pursue the career. It requires no compromise on the part of the Bar Council or anybody else; the rules are the same for everybody.

    If no barrister in the country is willing to accept him as a Devil then that tells it's own story. Given that Ammi went to war with her employers, Enoch went to war with his employers and Simeon's prior conduct, why in heaven's name would anybody take the risk of engaging him (or any of them at this stage). An employer would be staring down a gun barrel, waiting for the explosion. You can imaging him and his mother in six months engaging in a row with his master, seeking injunctions, threatening them with the bar council, the LSRA and the dickens knows what else and bringing them nothing but grief, headaches, expense and unwanted attention.

    His best option at this stage would be to put his youthful mistakes and his familial reputation behind him and go practice in a different jurisdiction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,614 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Why has this gods & monsters bigot still got a thread to himself? Solution is simple, put him back in jail until he puges his contemp and repays the money he owes the state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Enoch has been back in prison for a few weeks now.

    We're talking about his baby bro, Simeon, who is feeling hard done by because nobody wants him.

    So his mammy and sister went to shout at some people at the ploughing about it.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    I don't believe so, but even it were that case, they'd still have to find clients willing to have him on their legal team before he'd get any experience.

    In a past life I worked at one of the Big 4 and every six months we had to sit down with the partners to go over the students files. And while there would be many questions, the managing partner only wanted to know one thing - was the student someone he could let loose on the general public? In the burkes case it would be a solid NO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    I wonder why, surely he is a bullet best dodged for any practice looking for an apprentice!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Fair point, but from their point of view there's nothing to resolve.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Simeon wants to be a devil, but no master will have him. Even the masters are balking at the thought of mentoring this particular little devil.

    When a devil master won't accept a young potential devil, well…one knows there is something afoot.

    In my opinion, he should take a trip to LA and try to contact Luci. I think that's where he was last. If Simeon does find Luci, he should kneel down and beg for a place (and/or take a very very nice bottle of Irish Whiskey to sweeten the deal).

    I'm not sure however, how this will jive with Simeon's Christian Evangelical background though. But hey ho, even Lucifer was a Christian (or something) at some stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭chrisd2019


    Comedy gold, the only bar in Ireland with no beer…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,811 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Simple question solves all.

    Simeon - The law is "blind" , do you think you are capable of setting aside your personal beliefs when you are before the courts and dealing only with the facts and the law of the land?

    Cue a long-winded diatribe about how God is the one true law-giver blah blah blah.

    Game over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I've often wondered if the parents and most if not all the children are on the ASD spectrum somewhere? There are traits that I recognise since I have a family member who is neurodivergent. I am not saying that ASD makes a person as delusional and obsessive as the Burkes, far from it, but often ND folk do not "get" the nuances of normal (to us) behaviour and are often not great at social interraction. They can mask very well too.

    Many of those who are ND are very clever and savant autistic. The Burkes are very clever academically at least.

    It's a thought that crosses my mind now and then. It's not an excuse for their behaviour but perhaps an explanation.

    Or I could be talking out the back of my behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Jon_459


    Could only watch 2 minutes… her voice goes right through me



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,811 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Perhaps , but I suspect that their near total removal and isolation from the ordinary world during their youth likely plays a far larger role.

    They were home schooled , there's no evidence that they were involved in the usual non-school activities that most kids go to.

    The places where they learn about differences and how to interact with others , how to compromise to resolve conflict etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Spot on.

    Unless there is a Barrister in the state who is a complete nutter, the cretin will have go practice somewhere else and pray he is not googled pre or after interview.

    Either that or give "Law Tips" on Youtube.

    Actions have consequences. The more the better for this deplorable family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I accept that you are, but the fact remains: the bar has nothing to gain and a lot to lose by facilitating him.

    Facilitation, though, has to come from both sides. And part of the deal is that Simeon drop the trans/homophobia as per their standards:

    Equality, Diversity and Inclusion

    The Bar of Ireland is playing its part in delivering the transformative power of equality, diversity and inclusion (EDI) to the business of law, as set out within The Bar of Ireland’s Strategic Plan 2021-2024. We are committed to building a working environment where everyone feels welcomed and valued, and ensuring the full, equal and effective participation of all.

    A more diverse profession brings a greater variety of experience, enhanced insights, skill sets, tactics and decision-making. Greater inclusion reflects community expectations of fairness in all aspects of the administration of the law, and ensures a profession that is more representative of the composition of the community it serves.

    Source - https://www.lawlibrary.ie/about/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    That's true, however there are many children who are home educated or educated outside the formal Irish school system. They must follow certain rules and regulations and are assessed and inspected. The home school guidelines include the following -

    A certain minimum education should • besuited to the age, ability, aptitude and personality of the child • be responsive to the child’s individual needs, should take cognisance of the areas of learning that are of interest to the child, and should ensure that his/her personal potential is enhanced and not suppressed • address the immediate and prospective needs of the child, in the context of the cultural, economic and social environment • provide a reasonably balanced range of learning experiences, so that no one aspect of the child’s learning is emphasised to the exclusion of others • develop the personal and social skills of the child and prepare him/her for the responsibilities of citizenshipcontribute to the moral development of the child • ensure the development of basic skills (as outlined below) so as to prepare the child to participate in society and everyday life • provide opportunities for the child to develop his/her intellectual capacities and understanding

    Guidelines issued in 2003, over twenty years ago now.

    Guidelines on the Assessment of Education in Places Other Than Recognised Schools (File Format PDF 1.3MB) (tusla.ie)

    I know that Mrs. Burke is/was a qualified teacher, but I wonder how much emphasis was placed by her on the aspects in bold above.

    Anyway, I'm just shooting the breeze and thinking out loud.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭acceletor


    Did everyone see Amni eyeing up the young one that walked by her, about 4 minutes in……….



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